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Subject: Re: Ironic? A bitter truth!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:15:25 03/03/04

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On March 03, 2004 at 19:03:22, Johan de Koning wrote:

>On March 02, 2004 at 23:17:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 02, 2004 at 21:14:16, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On March 02, 2004 at 05:57:16, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 02, 2004 at 02:18:30, Johan de Koning wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 01, 2004 at 16:18:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 01, 2004 at 14:06:56, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's ironic that with the advent of fast, stable, commodity interconnectivity,
>>>>>>>and the development of tried-and-tested automation interfaces, that the
>>>>>>>so-called "world championship" has only gotten slower, longer, more expensive
>>>>>>>and more colloqial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Once again, the most awesome power on earth (stupidity) triumphs over
>>>>>>>technology.
>>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that it always does.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>But you can change the world, if you want to!
>>>>>
>>>>>Just start by celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmass through phone and e-mail.
>>>>>Soon you will discover that the possibilites are almost unlimited. Students will
>>>>>pick it up quickly of course, and the class rooms can be turned into a
>>>>>profitable asset. Within a decade the rest of the world will follow, and lower
>>>>>Manhattan can be turned into a profitable theme park.
>>>>>
>>>>>But then again, what's the point of a theme park if everyone get their kicks on
>>>>>the super highway?
>>>>>
>>>>>... Johan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You can change the world but not the general stupidity of man. Look, by all
>>>>means certain people are trying to claim that making money to feed a family is
>>>>of similar value than gambling in a 11 round Championship with the leading progs
>>>>playing much weaker opponents in the last rounds. The next step is the claim
>>>>that such gambling pays off for the leading programmers in a similar manner than
>>>>holding classes in universities. Then the final point is that actually gambling
>>>>is the central key point, while formerly it was a hobby for academics in their
>>>>spare time at the weekends. A bit this reminds me of the many academic drop-outs
>>>>who see their drinking habits and other hobbies on the same level as serious
>>>>research activities at universities. But again, you can't change the general
>>>>stupidity of man.
>>>>
>>>>Rolf
>>>
>>>I think you missed his point Rolf. Johann was saying that although it is
>>>perfectly possible to do the competition on the Internet, just like one could
>>>theoretically celebrate Thanksgiving or Christmas only online as well, it isn't
>>>the same experience as doing it live.
>>>
>>>                                          Albert
>>
>>
>>That is still apples/oranges.
>>
>>A tournament is first about the games,  and that is just as effective over the
>>net as it is in person,
>
>Well sure, if you limit the importance of a tournament to its games
>(or even the results), it is pointless to have a "physical" event.
>Duration and location are also not an issue then.

physical events are fine.  We call those "conferences".  :)  They do _not_ last
two weeks, however...  2-3 or even 4 days is just fine, but _not_ two weeks...

>
>>Holidays are first about getting together with family.
>>
>>The "irony" is non-existent IMHO
>
>With increasing connectivity the 'life' in 'IRL events' is getting *more*
>important, not less. Internet pioneers knew that a long time ago. Some
>people still don't know it and assume technology is meant to deprive us
>from such events. That's the irony.
>
>... Johan


You _can_ do both.  Frequent/long tournament events.  Short conferences to
discuss algorithms, etc...

Events on the net.  Conferences up close and personal.



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