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Subject: Re: Hashkey collisions (typical numbers)

Author: martin fierz

Date: 06:19:13 04/07/04

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On April 07, 2004 at 09:14:42, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On April 07, 2004 at 08:27:59, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>On April 07, 2004 at 06:49:59, Renze Steenhuisen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>could someone give me some numbers that are common with hashkey collisions?
>>>Because I guess my % is little too high...
>>>
>>>I'm getting like 0.03% [which is 1 every 3000, if I'm not mistaken]
>>>
>>>This is when using TT=32MB (haven't got the exact number of entries)
>>>
>>>If you think it is an error, any suggestions on where to start looking?
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>   Renze
>>
>>hi renze,
>>
>>your number is much too high. a good estimate for the hash collision probability
>>is 1/sqrt(hashkey_range); which in your case comes out as 2^-32 or about
>>somewhere around one in a billion...
>
>Not at all. It's way less than that with 64 bits Zobrist.

i never took the trouble to measure it, but the math is rather straightforward.
so i'd say you have an implementation bug too ;-)

cheers
  martin

>I measured it with 460 processors at a supercomputer with a shared hashtable and
>had major problems to get at 7 million nodes a second stored, some
>errors/collissions.
>
>>make sure you're not doing anything wrong with the hashkey updating like
>>suggested by others - compare with a computed-from-scratch key. also make sure
>>that your nullmove doesn't break your hashkey. and just to be sure, check that
>>you haven't got 32-bit numbers instead of 64 bit numbers by accident...
>>cheers
>>  martin
>
>I'm sure it was some implementation bug with Renze.



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