Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 11:56:02 10/04/04
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On October 04, 2004 at 14:01:56, Daniel Jackson wrote: >On October 04, 2004 at 13:52:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 04, 2004 at 09:22:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >> >>>On October 04, 2004 at 08:54:20, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>> >>>>On October 04, 2004 at 01:12:58, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>> >>>>>CM10 Default on a slow PIII 500 can't hold Black's position, even before Kramnik >>>>>made errors. >>>>> >>>>>I don't trust CM10 to handle this endgame, still it does show that 15..a6 >>>>>followed by 16.Bxa6 is better for White and is difficult to defend. >>>>>BTW CM10 couldn't find 16.Bxa6, I had to manually input the moves, then set it >>>>>to autoplay. If there is a draw, I'll have to start at 24.gxf3 or even earlier. >>>>>This exchange to the endgame isn't particularly good. It may be down right >>>>>terrible!? >>>>> >>>>>Kramnik imho played a bad line regardless of its draw record, and if programs >>>>>can't see 16.Bxa6! is good then they can't "understand" the nuances of the far >>>>>reaching consequences that arise after 16.Bxa6! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>40/2 Tournament Time Controls >>>>> >>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>[Date "2004.10.3"] >>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>[White "Chessmaster"] >>>>>[Black "Chessmaster"] >>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200"] >>>>>[Result "*"] >>>>> >>>>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.cxd5 >>>>>Nxd5 9.Nxd5 exd5 10.a3 Nc6 11.Bd3 Bb6 12.O-O Bg4 13.h3 Bh5 14.b4 Re8 >>>>>15.Rc1 a6 16.Bxa6 Rxa6 17.b5 Rxa3 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Rxc6 Ra7 20.Rd6 Rd7 >>>>>21.Qxd5 Rxd6 22.Qxd6 Qxd6 23.Bxd6 Bxf3 24.gxf3 Bd8 25.Rb1 Bf6 26.Kg2 g6 >>>>>27.f4 Kg7 28.Rb7 Re6 29.Rd7 Re8 30.Ra7 Re6 31.Bc5 Rc6 32.Ra5 Bc3 33.Rb5 >>>>>Ra6 34.Rb3 Bf6 35.Rb8 h5 36.Rb5 Bc3 37.Rb3 Bf6 38.e4 Ra5 39.Be3 Ra4 >>>>>40.e5 Be7 41.Rb7 Kf8 42.Rb8+ Kg7 43.Kf3 Rc4 44.Ke2 Ra4 45.Kd3 Ra3+ >>>>>46.Kc4 Ra4+ 47.Kd5 Ra5+ 48.Kc6 Ra6+ 49.Rb6 Ra8 50.Rb7 Kf8 51.Ba7 Rc8+ >>>>>52.Kd5 Rc3 53.Rb8+ Kg7 54.Be3 Ra3 55.Rb7 Ra5+ 56.Kc4 Kf8 57.Rb8+ Kg7 >>>>>58.Bd4 Ra4+ 59.Kd5 Bh4 60.Rc8 Kh7 61.f3 Rb4 62.Rc6 Ra4 63.Rc7 Kg8 >>>>>64.Rc8+ Kh7 65.Rc4 Rxc4 66.Kxc4 Kg7 67.Kd5 Kf8 68.Ke4 Ke7 69.f5 gxf5+ >>>>>70.Kxf5 Kd7 71.f4 Be7 72.Ke4 Kc6 73.f5 Bh4 74.f6 Kd7 75.Kf5 Kd8 76.e6 >>>>>Ke8 77.Bc5 Bg3 78.Kg5 Be5 79.h4 Bb2 80.Be7 Bc1+ 81.Kxh5 Be3 82.Bd6 * >>>>> >>>>>I resigned the game for Chessmaster as Black is hopelessly lost. >>>>The programs dont play Bxa6 for good reasons ; analyze the game with any program >>>>and you willsee that 20...Ra7 was the error ; if he plays 20...Re6 instead White >>>>has nothing ;for example Fritz 6 considers 20...Ra7? an error.Also from your >>>>previous post I gather that you may have the time controls wrong. The second >>>>time control is 20 moves in 1 hour and the third time control is game in 15 >>>>minutes with 30 second increments. >>> >>>20..Ra7 wasn't the best no, 20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better. >> >>This is ridiculous. >>Anand and Kramnik played 20...Ra7 in this position although they _of course_ >>knew about the possibility 20...Re6 (It was played before). >>They obviously thought it isn´t better at all after home analysis. >>You tell us they were wrong without any supporting analysis? > >Well he lost didn't he? The line sucks! I don't need to rip it apart to realize >this. Who are you to say this is ridiculous! I am someone who tries to get some information before criticising top players. They usually know why they play certain opening moves. I referred to "20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better". 19...Re6 20.Qc1 or 19...Re6 20.Rxe6 fxe6 21.Qc1 and now what? Who are you to decide what move is actually better in this position? Some GMs even annotated games with 19...Ra7! (19...Re6?). > >Check yourself or use a computer or both....the line stinks! > >As for supporting analysis, Leko gave plenty! >> >>> >>>Forget the T/C, I wasn't trying to reproduce them...my point is the line Kramnik >>>chose wasn't the best, and it gives White an early shot to seize the intiative. >>> >>>AFAIAC the T/C should be exactly as they were in the 80's, but that is another >>>story.
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