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Subject: Re: Dann, did anyone get back to you how long it took to solve these ??

Author: Les Fernandez

Date: 21:01:13 12/10/04

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On December 10, 2004 at 22:15:09, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 10, 2004 at 21:47:46, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 10, 2004 at 21:06:42, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On December 10, 2004 at 02:17:59, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 10, 2004 at 00:09:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 09, 2004 at 23:57:26, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 09, 2004 at 00:41:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here are results for default movei for the first 11 positions in the seond set
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note that movei was not designed to solve mates and I am sure it could do
>>>>>>>clearly better than it in case that it was designed for that purpose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It gets a mate score in less than 62 seconds for everyone of them.
>>>>>>>The big number is the number of nodes and I also gave translation of the score
>>>>>>>to distance to mate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>11 9987  371  2214115 mate in 7 d8g8
>>>>>>>14 9985 5462 28819188 mate in 8 b5a4
>>>>>>>14 9985 6195 32582992 mate in 8 b4a4
>>>>>>>14 9985 5337 27793757 mate in 8 c4a4
>>>>>>>14 9985 5728 29850523 mate in 8 d4a4
>>>>>>>14 9985 6157 32404314 mate in 8 b3a4
>>>>>>>14 9985 5748 30085900 mate in 8 c2a4
>>>>>>>11 9987  548  2972896 mate in 7 e8e5
>>>>>>>9  9987  195   978781 mate in 7 e7e1
>>>>>>>6  9993    6    22984 mate in 4 e5a5
>>>>>>>9  9987  160   836546 mate in 7 e4e1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Uri,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>First thanks for giving it a go.  What hardware are you running them on and do
>>>>>>you plan on running all of them?  It is of interest to me to know the total time
>>>>>>it took to solve the set, but understand that is is rather time consuming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to you soon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Les
>>>>>
>>>>>I used A3000
>>>>>I will certainly not run all the positions manually.
>>>>>
>>>>>I may do it automatically not based on fixed time but based on stopping when it
>>>>>finds mate but I need first to finish some tool to analyze epd file.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Hi Uri,
>>>>
>>>>I certainly can appreciate not doing it manually.  Listen perhaps when you have
>>>>time you can just look at the first 10 positions of the second set of positions
>>>>since they were much more difficult.  If you have trouble finding them I can
>>>>always repost them.  Thanks for your time.
>>>>
>>>>Les
>>>
>>>my results are for them and not for the easy positions.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I can add that I now test the easy positions automatically and it seems that
>>part of them are not so easy.
>>
>>I expected based on Antony that movei on A1000 will solve all of them in a short
>>time but it does not do it.
>>
>>I implemented function to analyze epd and not leave a position before mate
>>unless very long time was used and I test it with this function.
>>
>>The fact that there are a lot of easy problems does not mean that all of them
>>are easy and solving all the positions on p233 in less than a minute(not one of
>>them) is clearly a good result.
>
>correction
>I remembered wrong:
>
>Dann Corbit said:
>"There is a utility that computes all the answers in under a minute on a Pentium
>II, 166 MHz."
>
>There are not small number of cases when
>Movei on A1000 needs some minutes to solve positions in the set that was defined
>as the easy test.
>
>I see on the screen the following output that means that movei needed almost
>1000 seconds to solve one of the position and more than 700 seconds to solve
>another position(1000 seconds is the time limit that I gave movei to solve the
>positions and with more than 1000 seconds it should not search even if it finds
>no mate.
>
> 12 9983 98807 210114214 g4d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5
>e2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2
>
> 12 9983 73247 155531978 h4d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5
>e2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2
>
> 12 9983 14458 26428369 c3d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5
>2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2
>
> 12 9983 14318 26932012 d3d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5 e
>2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2
>
>It seems that the positions are almost the same based on the pv and I suspect
>that the relevant tool that Dan Corbit used simply does not clear it's hash
>between positions.
>
>Uri

Hi Uri,

I must say first thank you for trying to solve these positions.  When you are
done with however many you can I would also be interested in knowing how long
each ONE took to solve if you keep the output of the analyses.  Good work Uri.

Les



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