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Subject: Re: Yes, Hiarcs 6 is Dumb.

Author: James Robertson

Date: 08:54:27 06/27/99

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On June 27, 1999 at 05:23:50, Terry Ripple wrote:

>On June 27, 1999 at 04:26:05, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 1999 at 20:47:27, James Robertson wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:58:30, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:13:04, James Robertson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:06:28, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree Mark, you said it all in a nut shell! If you checked out my last two
>>>>>>posts to his last two games where i let Hiarcs7.32 play the same games at the
>>>>>>same time in the critical positions,Hiarcs would not have made those weak moves!
>>>>>>Plus Hiarcs6 and Hiarcs7.32 don`t even agree to some of the early moves in the
>>>>>>Opening stages!!
>>>>>>--------
>>>>>>Terry
>>>>>
>>>>>My program doesn't make some of the weak moves and doesn't agree on most of the
>>>>>early moves in the opening stages. What's your point?
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>---------
>>>>The point, James
>>>>   Some observers on this forum are comparing these two loses against the low
>>>>rated master as why Chess programs are not High Rated Masters because they would
>>>>not have made those silly errors and as the result a loss. Don`t compare Hiarcs6
>>>>loss to the other high rated programs as though these would also perform as
>>>>poorly and also don`t deserve to be known as high rated Masters. The moves i
>>>>posted from Hiarcs7.32 in the 2 games, shows it would have performed better and
>>>>probaly beat the the rated master!
>>>
>>>Well.... that is like saying that if Sokolov had not played 11. Bc5 at the WCCC
>>>he probably would have beaten Fritz.
>>>
>>>>   My friend is a 2345 USCF Master and played more than 2 dozen games at time
>>>>controls of game/60min., game/45min. and games/30 against Chessmaster6000 in my
>>>>home and his results to show are Only 1 win!!! Top Programs are Grandmasters!
>>>
>>>That still proves nothing; he may be extremely inept at playing computers, USCF
>>>ratings are >100 points higher than FIDE ratings, and who knows what the
>>>circumstances were at your house. Could be anything from a construction crew
>>>building a skyscraper next door to him chatting and relaxing with you. :)
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>>Thats my Point!
>>>>Best regards.
>>>>Terry
>>-----------
>>Hardly James,
>>      He took these games Very seriously because he knew that the games were
>>going to be distributed to the members of our club and he doesnt like to lose to
>>anyone or anything! You know thats the criteria for a good player!
>>      He was Pennsylvania State Champion the past 3 years in a row and there
>>were some higher ratings than his that he needed to Beat!!!
>>--------
>>Terry
>--------
>James, you don`t get my drift! Your comment about if Sokolov had played a
>different move then he probaly would have beaten Fritz! I can`t agree with you
>more on this statement but I`am talking about a different upgraded program
>(Hiarcs7.32) disagreeing with Hiarcs6 moves at certain critical points of the
>game! Example= Asking Kasporov`s opinion of Sokolov`s game on the critical move
>at move 11.Bc5 and we would all respect Kasporov`s opinion of a different move
>instead of 11.Bc5 because he is a stronger player.A different move at a critical
>point can change the outcome. That is what i mean by comparing Hiarcs6 to
>Hiarcs7.32 with the disagreement of certain key moves in those 2 games.I was
>making those key move comparisons because there are people on this forum
>comparing Hiarcs6 loses to a low rated master to the other top programs, saying
>that this is why all chess programs are still not High Rated Masters!
>I hope i`am getting my point across, this is just what i meant.
>--------
>Best regards.
>Terry

I think I understand your point now, but I disagree with it. :)

I think it is premature to say that a player probably could have won after a
different move when _even after the better move_ they are worse.

James



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