Author: James Robertson
Date: 08:54:27 06/27/99
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On June 27, 1999 at 05:23:50, Terry Ripple wrote: >On June 27, 1999 at 04:26:05, Terry Ripple wrote: > >>On June 26, 1999 at 20:47:27, James Robertson wrote: >> >>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:58:30, Terry Ripple wrote: >>> >>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:13:04, James Robertson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:06:28, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I agree Mark, you said it all in a nut shell! If you checked out my last two >>>>>>posts to his last two games where i let Hiarcs7.32 play the same games at the >>>>>>same time in the critical positions,Hiarcs would not have made those weak moves! >>>>>>Plus Hiarcs6 and Hiarcs7.32 don`t even agree to some of the early moves in the >>>>>>Opening stages!! >>>>>>-------- >>>>>>Terry >>>>> >>>>>My program doesn't make some of the weak moves and doesn't agree on most of the >>>>>early moves in the opening stages. What's your point? >>>>> >>>>>James >>>>--------- >>>>The point, James >>>> Some observers on this forum are comparing these two loses against the low >>>>rated master as why Chess programs are not High Rated Masters because they would >>>>not have made those silly errors and as the result a loss. Don`t compare Hiarcs6 >>>>loss to the other high rated programs as though these would also perform as >>>>poorly and also don`t deserve to be known as high rated Masters. The moves i >>>>posted from Hiarcs7.32 in the 2 games, shows it would have performed better and >>>>probaly beat the the rated master! >>> >>>Well.... that is like saying that if Sokolov had not played 11. Bc5 at the WCCC >>>he probably would have beaten Fritz. >>> >>>> My friend is a 2345 USCF Master and played more than 2 dozen games at time >>>>controls of game/60min., game/45min. and games/30 against Chessmaster6000 in my >>>>home and his results to show are Only 1 win!!! Top Programs are Grandmasters! >>> >>>That still proves nothing; he may be extremely inept at playing computers, USCF >>>ratings are >100 points higher than FIDE ratings, and who knows what the >>>circumstances were at your house. Could be anything from a construction crew >>>building a skyscraper next door to him chatting and relaxing with you. :) >>> >>>James >>> >>>>Thats my Point! >>>>Best regards. >>>>Terry >>----------- >>Hardly James, >> He took these games Very seriously because he knew that the games were >>going to be distributed to the members of our club and he doesnt like to lose to >>anyone or anything! You know thats the criteria for a good player! >> He was Pennsylvania State Champion the past 3 years in a row and there >>were some higher ratings than his that he needed to Beat!!! >>-------- >>Terry >-------- >James, you don`t get my drift! Your comment about if Sokolov had played a >different move then he probaly would have beaten Fritz! I can`t agree with you >more on this statement but I`am talking about a different upgraded program >(Hiarcs7.32) disagreeing with Hiarcs6 moves at certain critical points of the >game! Example= Asking Kasporov`s opinion of Sokolov`s game on the critical move >at move 11.Bc5 and we would all respect Kasporov`s opinion of a different move >instead of 11.Bc5 because he is a stronger player.A different move at a critical >point can change the outcome. That is what i mean by comparing Hiarcs6 to >Hiarcs7.32 with the disagreement of certain key moves in those 2 games.I was >making those key move comparisons because there are people on this forum >comparing Hiarcs6 loses to a low rated master to the other top programs, saying >that this is why all chess programs are still not High Rated Masters! >I hope i`am getting my point across, this is just what i meant. >-------- >Best regards. >Terry I think I understand your point now, but I disagree with it. :) I think it is premature to say that a player probably could have won after a different move when _even after the better move_ they are worse. James
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