Author: Peter Kappler
Date: 00:33:47 10/06/99
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On October 06, 1999 at 01:59:48, Ed Schröder wrote: >On October 05, 1999 at 20:26:59, Peter Kappler wrote: > >>Bob, >> >>This is really a shame, because Crafty is the best known of all the winboard >>engines, and is often used as *the* standard for assessing the strength of other >>programs. Anytime I hear that "program X" is a really strong amateur engine, my >>first thought is "well, lets just see how it stacks up against Crafty". >> >>As much as possible, I think you should try to address some of these >>single-computer winboard issues - especially the no-ponder time management >>problem, which just doesn't seem that difficult. Problems that can't be solved >>should at least be quantified, performance-wise, and this information could be >>published. As Christopher said in his previous post - if the net effect is 5 or >>10 ELO points, who really cares? On the other hand, if you can prove that for >>Crafty the difference is 50 or 75 ELO points, then at least people will take >>this into account when interpreting results. >> >>--Peter > >I am willing to play 100 40/40 auto232 games. > >PC-1: Rebel Century PB=ON >PC-2: Rebel Century PB=OFF > >Indentical hardware of course. > >My bet... > >Expected match score: 70-30 > >Now how many ELO is that when that score pops up? > >Ed A 70% win expectancy is around 140 ELO, so I guess you are suggesting that this is how much stronger Rebel would be if it could ponder every move correctly. But this seems like a different discussion - I don't quite see how it relates to the question I asked Bob. The point I was trying to make is that it shouldn't be that hard to modify Crafty's time management code to handle the PB=OFF scenario. Bob says it would take a lot of tuning to get this working well in Crafty, which seems odd to me, but I will take his word for it. Perhaps it is just too late - am I missing the point of your post? --Peter
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