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Subject: Re: deep blue elo

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 05:28:55 10/20/99

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On October 20, 1999 at 06:43:20, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On October 19, 1999 at 20:14:57, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 1999 at 19:10:36, James B. Shearer wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>>
>>>         This has nothing to do with copyright.  It is a trademark question.
>>>For what it's worth I don't believe that under US law "Deep Blue Junior" would
>>>infringe on any trademark rights Ban may have on the word "Junior".  Was Junior
>>>even for sale when "Deep Blue Junior" was coined?
>>>                               James B. Shearer
>>
>>You are correct. I am terrible at legalisms (libel vs. slander, copyright vs.
>>trademark, etc.). That's probably why my sister became a DA, in order to one up
>>me on legalisms. ;)
>>
>>Well, both Junior and Deep Blue Jr. have been around for quite a while. Junior
>>won the microcomputer championship in 1997. Deep Blue Jr. started touring in
>>1996 I think, but I cannot find any references to it before 1997.
>>
>>So, I guess someone who knows the history of these two programs better than I
>>should speak up.
>
>In my database I have international tournament games played by Junior in 1995.
>
>Calling  three chess programs "Junior", "Deep Blue Junior" and "Deep Junior" (in
>chronological order of existence) is creating potential problems of
>misunderstandings and confusion.
>
>In a country like mine, the word Junior means nothing. If you tell someone "Hey,
>Junior!" he may as well think that you are calling him names. In this context, a
>person shopping for a chess program is going to be puzzled by the similarities
>in the names carrying the word Junior.
>
>"Junior" may be of common usage in the States, and Deep Blue Junior comes from
>there, but this doesn't excuse much. No word in chess is more common than
>"Chess" itself. We also have masters of all sort: national, FIDE, IM, GM. This
>wouldn't justify a brand name of MasterChess 10000, because Chessmaster exists
>already and it would be confusing. In my opinion, the proliferation of the usage
>of "Junior" may create the same sort of problem.
>
>Enrique
>
>>KarinsDad :)

Programs called "Masterchess" and "Grandmaster Chess" exist, though.

Dave




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