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Subject: Re: Crafty rating on ICC

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:22:19 10/27/99

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On October 27, 1999 at 18:05:24, Amir Ban wrote:

>On October 27, 1999 at 15:27:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>>On October 26, 1999 at 12:54:02, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>I had trouble myself believing that it's doing this, but it did.
>>>
>>
>>If it hung, I'd believe it.  Because if crafty 'dies' xboard won't restart
>>it, it just lets the game sit until the clock runs down.  The only abuse I
>>see here is that this has happened on many occasions and most GM players
>>will see it and message me.  Other non-titled players (and a few titled ones
>>I admit) will promptly match it 20-30 times and let it flag every game to
>>run their rating up.
>>
>
>Now you make it sound like you are a victim here. The point is that I've NEVER
>seen crafty lose on time. Then it let's the clock run out in exactly the
>position where it won't lose anything over it.
>
>Coincidence ? Sure, if you say so.
>


To make this simple for you to understand, if you think that I have _ever_
programmed crafty to just sit and wait, you are full of snot.  To even imply
such a thing is rediculous... and says a lot about the way you think about
things...  because _I_ would not think of doing such a thing.  Otherwise why
would I give my password to GM/IM players?  So that they can abort when they
mouse slip.  So that they can force it to offer a draw in obvious situations
where it won't automatically.

your implication is lower than low.  _exactly_ like your implication in the
Deep Blue discussion when you took kasparov's side, even though you had a
perfectly clear game log excerpt that was crystal clear in its meaning.  Only
you didn't _want_ it to be crystal clear...

I had un-noplayed you earlier, but I think I'll add you to my censor list now
as I don't care to deal with people with such a crumby attitude.
try cp


>
>>>
>>>
>>>I come to ICC to play. I don't have noplay lists. Your program displays some
>>>over-aggressive behavior that can be called unpleasant to unsportsmanlike
>>>according to taste. It would not be forgiven to a serious human player, and the
>>>excuse that "it's just a dumb automatic program" is not good enough, since this
>>>behavior is not very hard to change.
>>>
>>>Amir
>>>
>>
>>You say you don't have a noplay list.  And since you run manual a noplay
>>list makes no sense.  But you also said you have an 'implicit noplay list'
>>because you want to play computers only close to your rating and not way
>>below it.  If I were manual, I wouldn't have a ICC noplay list either.  I
>>would just decline matches I didn't want to play.  But with an automatic
>>interface, noplay is the only way to avoid those that seem to be abusers.
>>
>>The noplay list isn't a bad thing...  ie it sounds like you effectively have
>>way more on yours than I do...  Or would you be willing to play any GM no
>>matter what his rating?  I have given most GMs on ICC crafty's password so
>>that they can play whenever they want, at any time control they want, without
>>regard to its formula.  And I pay for it on occasion.
>>>
>
>I don't have a noplay list in the strong sense, not in the technical sense that
>you make it. I don't refuse challenges on the basis of who the challenger is.
>
>As for GM's, they don't want to play with me. I'm hardly ever challenged by a
>GM. I challenge them, but they almost always refuse. I've more or less given up
>on that. I wouldn't even dream of declining a GM if challenged.
>
>Amir

try cptnbluebear.  he usually accepts any reasonable computer challenge.



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