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Subject: Re: Deep Junior at a loss in this position?!!

Author: Djordje Vidanovic

Date: 17:40:51 03/04/00

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On March 04, 2000 at 20:23:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>Two issues:
>
>(1) it is only necessary that the program win the game, not win it in the
>shortest number of moves. You entered a raw position, which means there is
>no 'context' of what might be repetitions.  It will take many checks before
>it learns which are leading to repetitions, and then starts to migrate the
>king in the right direction, only to avoid the draws.  IMHO this is perfectly
>ok, just so it wins and doesn't draw.
>
>(2) tablebases solve this instantly.

Your two points are quite in order.  Still, what I find a little irritating is
the inability of otherwise strong programs to "see" winning sequences in
perfectly plain positions, such as the one I quoted.  And that is all.  Somehow
I still cannot accept the programs' blindness in such situations, especially if
the path to winning is a matter of a single quick glance for humans.  It is
actually the "understanding" of positions that is sometimes so sadly missing in
programs.  Therefore I guess that your evaluation of top programs not yet being
GM's is not very far off the mark :-)  It is positions like this that may sober
up avid comp chess fans.

***  Djordje



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