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Subject: Re: Searching 18-20 ply just using nullmove

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 19:23:54 08/17/00

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On August 17, 2000 at 21:21:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>Hello,
>
>A few years ago (about 3) i claimed that searching 18-20 ply was possible
>with huge hashtables, nullmove, a good evaluation function, and
>several billions of nodes.

searching 18-20 plies with recursive null move pruning is possible and there is
no doubt about it.

You may miss things because of null move.
>
>I was considered nuts by half of the RGCC population, because no
>branching factor was capable of being that good, when you would
>search deeper, your branching factor would NOT get under 4.0, that
>was considered impossible by a lot of people even.
>
>Obviously most people following: "i believe that i see in the ads
>or where i see the outputs from", they challenged me. Some went even
>that far and called me nuts, a liar and a frog and many other terms.

I did not read RGCC but I believe that people called you a liar because you make
the impression that you can see everything in the next 18-20 plies except some
lines that you will look for only 14-16 plies because of null moves when the
fact is that you can miss also lines with 10 plies because you use recursive
null move pruning(I remember that this was my impression when I read your posts
here about 18-20 plies).

I do not say that using recursive null move is wrong but your 18-20 ply search
can miss 10 plies lines(If your evaluation is good enough these lines are
usually not important but I believe that there are cases when they are
important)

Uri



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