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Subject: Re: SSDF rating list soon history?

Author: Detlef Pordzik

Date: 16:04:39 05/06/98

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On May 05, 1998 at 20:05:46, Paul Petersson wrote:

>On May 05, 1998 at 16:42:10, Detlef Pordzik wrote:
>
>>On May 04, 1998 at 22:46:29, Paul Petersson wrote:
>>
>>>On May 04, 1998 at 18:43:54, Detlef Pordzik wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 04, 1998 at 08:12:23, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>From different SSDF posts I get the feeling, that probably SSDF will
>>>>>stop their ratinglist service soon! And persons like Ossi Weiner and Ed
>>>>>Schröder are speeding up this by their childish attacks against SSDF!
>>>>>Additionally also some SSDF person have lost their computer chess
>>>>>interest (I am myself as interested as 15 years ago!).
>>>>>Let's hope that SSDF still manages at least two additional years! And
>>>>>they need our all support...
>>>>
>>>>As I've allways took side for the anonymus testin' people within the
>>>>SSDF - I now take the chance to comment this astonishing reaction from
>>>>my point of     view :
>>>>
>>>>if it ain't possible to accept a done mistake, such as in case of the
>>>>very unlucky acceptance of the CB hardware, and to correct this mistake
>>>
>>>What CB hardware??? We haven´t accepted any hardware from CB. If you
>>>refer to the 64 MB requirement, then I can only say that it was
>>>inevitable. All new chessprograms that run under Win95 need more than 32
>>>MB. Otherwise they get to small hashtanbles. For example: Shredder 2
>>>gets 12 MB hash on a 32 MB machine, but Genius 5 gets 31 MB. On a
>>>P200MMX Shredder quickly runs out of hashspace on a 32 MB machine. Would
>>>that have been fair!? Furthermore, Fritz 5 was not the first program to
>>>run on a 64 MB machine. That honour goes to Nimzo 98.
>>>
>>>The CB autoplayer was a compromise. It was the only way that we could
>>>get a great number of games in a short period of time. In the next
>>>SSDF-list Fritz 5 will have played over 400 games. If we were to play
>>>that many games manually, we couldn´t have put Fritz 5 on the list
>>>before Fritz 6 was out... The fact that we accepted the secret
>>>autoplayer for Fritz 5 doesn´t mean that it will be accepted for Fritz
>>>6.
>>>
>>>>by replacing the results by ones, done/ made new - as usually - not to
>>>>speak about an apologize towards whomever......
>>>>
>>>>but instead  - and here I speak about the responsibles within the SSDF -
>>>>react
>>>>like Mimoses in the rain towards any critiques....
>>>
>>>The SSDF can take criticism from anyone but it is *only* responsible
>>>towards its members. *Only* members decides.
>>>
>>>And, as long as the members of the SSDF wants the list, it will continue
>>>to be made.
>>>
>>>Paul
>>
>>Dear Paul,
>>
>>are we goin' round in circles now ?


Dear Paul,

>I´m not
>
>>I think you don't want to teach me / us seriously about the 64 MB terms
>>??
>
>It´s really hard to understand what you mean, since you´re intentionaly
>very vague.
>
>>The ONLY question - dear Paul -
>
>What you call the "The ONLY question" is really no question anymore (se
>below).

See : here's the difference.
We won't be able to argue that out -
you got your opinion, I got mine - noone has a real proof, pityfully.
So the whole thing remains spectaculative....

>>is the use of a thing, you call a " compromise " - the special, unique
>>auto-
>>player....of Chess Base
>>THAT's what we are talkin' about.
>>Nobody is doin' suggestions on what might happen with F6 or maybe F8,
>>that ain't
>>relevant herein.
>>
>>Relevant - for me - to believe in neutral testing competitions - would
>>be, if
>>THIS ORIGINAL, unique autoplayer could be tested by some neutral people
>>with knowledge.
>>So then we could all know - if there is a " something about it " - or
>>just not.
>
>This is what Ed and Enrique did. Ed concluded that the CB autoplayer was
>OK.
>But perhaps you don´t think Ed is neutral enough?

Vist his site.....to get an overview of his opinion for yourself.

>>And I don't see much worth in the CB offer these days, to send - new -
>>autoplayers to some people to have them " inspected ".....
>
>A very convenient attitude. It´s difficult to argue against someone´s
>beliefs.
>
Well, see above

ELVIS



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