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Subject: Re: more examples for search-based stupidity

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 16:39:02 06/13/98

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We should better change the name of this newsgroup into
Computer CLub and delete the "chess" term.
The people here think chess is deterministic, it is all tactics and
they don't need to replay chess games. Or they only need to think more
time about move hxg and all the problems in the game would be solved.


[Event "k6/200 40/120"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Claus Carstens"]
[Black "Junior 4.6"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[Annotator "Czub,T"]
[PlyCount "37"]

{3072kB, jun_book.ctg
} 1. d4 {26} 1... d5 {2} 2. e4 {2} 2... dxe4 {
-0.60/13 130} 3. Nc3 {247} 3... Nf6 {-0.56/15 0} 4. f3 {21} 4... exf3 {
-0.72/14 177} 5. Nxf3 {8} 5... e6 {-0.77/15 177} 6. Bg5 {20} 6... Nbd7 {
-0.77/15 692} 7. a3 {12} 7... Be7 {-0.94/16 392} 8. Qd2 {16} 8... O-O {
-0.97/16 369} 9. Qf2 {17} 9... a5 {-1.12/14 306} 10. Qh4 {53} 10... h6 {
-1.26/16 583} 11. Bd3 {4} 11... hxg5 {-2.81/15 209} 12. Nxg5 {108} 12...
g6 {
-2.54/16 473} 13. Qh6 {23} 13... Qe8 {-1.79/12 83} 14. O-O {14} 14...
Bc5 {
#6/12 446} 15. Rxf6 {16} 15... Bxd4+ {#6/18 381} 16. Kh1 {12} 16... Nxf6
{
#4/41 332} 17. Nce4 {16} 17... Bd7 {#3/49 53} 18. Nxf6+ {9} 18... Bxf6
{#2/51 0
} 19. Qh7# {11} 1-0


[Event "40/120 k6/200"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Claus Carstens"]
[Black "Virtual2 "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[Annotator "Czub,T"]
[PlyCount "47"]

{3072kB
} 1. d4 {0} 1... d5 {0.07/14 11} 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5.
Nxf3 5... Bg4 {This is the so called Teichmann-variation. Also not the
best
defense against BDG. Computers often play this defense because they like
the
bishop on g4 pinning the queen.   } 6. h3 Bxf3 7. Qxf3 c6 8. Qf2 e6 9.
Bg5 Nbd7
10. a3 10... Be7 {You see the pattern. Exactly the same structures as in
the
first game vs. Junior. Virtual2 plays the same moves, not understanding
1 % of
white's plan.  } 11. Qh4 O-O 12. Ne4 h6 13. Bd3 hxg5 14. Nxg5 g6 15. Qh6
Qe8
16. O-O Bd6 17. Rxf6 Nxf6 18. Rf1 Bf4 19. Rxf4 Qd7 20. Rh4 Qxd4+ 21.
Rxd4 Rfd8
22. Rh4 Nh5 23. Qh7+ Kf8 24. Qxf7# 1-0


The problem in those games is NOT hxg.
It is the fact that black does not understand the sense of 4.f3.
It is the fact that black does not understand that o-o into this
position is suicide. The fact that black does not understand why
Qd1-d2-f2-h4 makes sense. Black does not understand why a3 is important
in almost any BDG-opening.

If people deny these important facts, and tell me strange things about
chess instead, i think it is better to split ccc into computer-club and
chess-club.
The things bob and don want to discuss can be said for all other games
too.
The things I want to show in the games are typical for chess. and maybe
we speak a different language. It is not anything 100% tactics. Nothing
is 100%.




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