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Subject: Re: To Bob Hyatt on GM vs computer Games

Author: Mark Young

Date: 16:16:57 08/08/98

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On August 08, 1998 at 18:01:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 08, 1998 at 17:00:38, Leon Stancliff wrote:
>
>>Bob,
>>
>>I posted a reply to your previous message concerning standard GM vs computer
>>games. But since it was buried back a day or so ago, I decided to post a new
>>message.
>>
>>I would appreciate it very much if you can provide us with as many as a half
>>dozen or more of Kim Commons games vs computers at standard times.
>>
>>I will also add that your contribution to the dialogue on ICC is both
>>interesting and stimulating.
>>
>>Leon Stancliff
>
>
>here is the first "group" of 20 10 games Kim Commons played against Crafty on
>ICC.  I simply took the games in order of play.  There are more if you want to
>see them...
>
>Bob
>
Crafty Scored 7wins 2losses and 1 draw in the last 10 games played by IM
Commons.(i guess the last 10) This is a player who knows how to beat chess
computers, and I'm sure knows crafty as well as any player. And the games were
play at fairly slow time control for ICC. I find it hard to understand why you
think crafty is no better then 2400 at 40/2. I just can't see IM Commons playing
that much better at 40/2 and crafty just falling apart. I think crafty would
still win play IM Commons at 40/2.



>[Event "ICC 5 3 06/02/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.06.02"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "crafty"]
>[Black "Kingway"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[WhiteElo "2867"]
>[BlackElo "2470"]
>[ECO "A44"]
>[NIC "OI.09"]
>[LongECO "Semi-Benoni (`blockade variation')"]
>
> 1. d4 c5       2. d5 e5       3. e4 d6       4. Nc3 Be7     5. Bb5+ Nd7
> 6. f4 a6       7. Bd3 Bf6     8. f5 Bg5      9. Bxg5 Qxg5  10. Qf3 Qh4+
>11. g3 Qe7     12. O-O-O b5   13. Rd2 Nb6    14. Kb1 Bd7    15. g4 h6
>16. Nh3 Nf6    17. Nf2 c4     18. Be2 b4     19. Ncd1 a5    20. h4 Nh7
>21. Qe3 Qd8    22. g5 Nf8     23. gxh6 Rxh6  24. h5 a4      25. Ng4 Rh7
>26. h6 g6      27. fxg6 Nxg6  28. Rf1 Bxg4   29. Bxg4 Qc7   30. Rdf2 c3
>31. Bf5 Nc4    32. Qg3 Nd2+   33. Rxd2 cxd2  34. Bxg6 Rxh6  35. Bxf7+
>{Black forfeits on time} 1-0
>
>[Event "ICC 5 3 06/04/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.06.04"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Kingway"]
>[Black "crafty"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[WhiteElo "2475"]
>[BlackElo "2752"]
>[ECO "D43"]
>[NIC "QP.09"]
>[LongECO "QGD semi-Slav"]
>
> 1. Nf3 d5      2. c4 e6       3. d4 Nf6      4. Nc3 c6      5. cxd5 exd5
> 6. Bf4 Be7     7. e3 Ne4      8. Nxe4 dxe4   9. Nd2 Bb4    10. a3 Bxd2+
>11. Qxd2 O-O   12. Bc4 Nd7    13. O-O Nb6    14. Ba2 Bg4    15. Rac1 Qf6
>16. Rc5 Be6    17. Bb1 Bd5    18. Qc2 Qe6    19. b4 Nc4     20. Ba2 Nxa3
>21. Bxd5 cxd5  22. Qa4 Nc4    23. Qb5 Rad8   24. Qxb7 Rd7   25. Qb5 f6
>26. h3 Qf7     27. Ra1 Nb2    28. Qa5 Nd3    29. Rb5 f5     30. Ra3 Nxf4
>31. exf4 Qe6   32. Rc3 Qd6    33. g3 Rfd8    34. Rc4 dxc4
>{White resigns} 0-1
>
>[Event "ICC 5 3 06/04/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.06.04"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "crafty"]
>[Black "Kingway"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[WhiteElo "2757"]
>[BlackElo "2470"]
>[ECO "C05"]
>[NIC "FR.16"]
>[LongECO "French: Tarrasch, closed variation"]
>
> 1. e4 e6       2. d4 d5       3. Nd2 Nf6     4. e5 Nfd7     5. Bd3 b6
> 6. Ne2 Ba6     7. Bxa6 Nxa6   8. O-O Qc8     9. c4 c6      10. cxd5 cxd5
>11. Nb3 Be7    12. Nf4 g6     13. Nd3 h5     14. Be3 Qb7    15. Qf3 Rc8
>16. Kh1 Nb4    17. Nxb4 Bxb4  18. Bg5 Be7    19. Bxe7 Kxe7  20. Rfd1 Rc2
>21. Rab1 Rhc8  22. Na1 R2c4   23. Qf4 Qa6    24. a3 Qb5     25. Qh6 a5
>26. h3 R8c7    27. Kh2 Rc8    28. Qf4 Qc6    29. Nb3 Rc2    30. Rd3 a4
>31. Rf3 Rf8    32. Na1 Rc4    33. b3 Rc3     34. bxa4 Rxf3  35. Qxf3 Qxa4
>36. Qc3 Qc4    37. Qe3 Rc8    38. Nb3 Qa4    39. Nd2 Rc2    40. Rb4 Qc6
>41. Nb1 Rc1    42. Rb3 Rc2    43. Qf4 Qc4    44. Rf3 f5     45. exf6+ Kf7
>46. Qh6
>{Black resigns} 1-0
>
>[Event "ICC 5 3 06/08/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.06.08"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "crafty"]
>[Black "Kingway"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[WhiteElo "2832"]
>[BlackElo "2471"]
>[ECO "A44"]
>[NIC "OI.09"]
>[LongECO "Old Benoni defense"]
>
> 1. d4 c5       2. d5 e5       3. c4 d6       4. Nc3 g6      5. e4 Bh6
> 6. Bxh6 Nxh6   7. Nf3 Kf8     8. Be2 Kg7     9. O-O f5     10. exf5 gxf5
>11. Rc1 Qf6    12. Nd2 Nd7    13. Nb5 Nf8    14. Nc7 Rb8
>{Black resigns} 1-0
>
>[Event "ICC 5 3 06/08/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.06.08"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Kingway"]
>[Black "crafty"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[WhiteElo "2467"]
>[BlackElo "2836"]
>[ECO "B40"]
>[NIC "SI.43"]
>[LongECO "Sicilian defense"]
>
> 1. e4 c5        2. Nf3 e6       3. d3 Nc6       4. Qe2 Be7      5. g3 d5
> 6. Bg2 Nf6      7. O-O O-O      8. e5 Ne8       9. Re1 f6      10. Bf4 g5
>11. exf6 Bxf6   12. Be5 g4      13. Bxf6 Qxf6   14. Nh4 Qxb2    15. Qxg4+ Ng7
>16. Nd2 Qxc2    17. Ndf3 Qxd3   18. Rad1 Qc3    19. Re3 Qf6     20. Qg5 Bd7
>21. Bh3 c4      22. Ng2 Qxg5    23. Nxg5 d4     24. Re4 c3      25. Ne1 Rad8
>26. Nxe6 Bxe6   27. Bxe6+ Nxe6  28. Rxe6 Rfe8   29. Rxe8+ Rxe8  30. Kf1 Nb4
>31. a3 c2       32. Rc1 Rxe1+   33. Kxe1 Nd3+   34. Kd2 Nxc1    35. Kxc1 d3
>36. f4 b5       37. g4 a5       38. Kb2 a4      39. f5 b4
>{White forfeits on time} 0-1
>
>
>[Event "ICC 15 15 07/05/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.07.05"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "crafty"]
>[Black "Kingway"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[WhiteElo "2545"]
>[BlackElo "2480"]
>[ECO "C05"]
>[NIC "FR.17"]
>[LongECO "French: Tarrasch, closed variation"]
>
> 1. e4 e6        2. d4 d5        3. Nd2 Nf6      4. e5 Nfd7      5. c3 c5
> 6. Bd3 Nc6      7. Ne2 a6       8. b3 b5        9. Nf3 Be7     10. Be3 c4
>11. bxc4 bxc4   12. Bb1 Rb8     13. O-O Qa5     14. Ng5 h6      15. Nf3 Nb6
>16. Qd2 Bd7     17. Bc2 Na7     18. Bf4 Ba4     19. Bxa4+ Nxa4  20. Rfc1 Nb5
>21. Rab1 Kd7    22. Qe1 Na3     23. Rxb8 Rxb8   24. Bd2 Rb2     25. Ng3 Rxa2
>26. Nh5 Bf8     27. Nf4 Qb5     28. Qf1 Rb2     29. Ne2 Rb1     30. Qe1 a5
>31. Bf4 Qb2     32. Rd1 Qc2     33. Bc1 Nb5     34. Rd2 Qb3     35. g3 Naxc3
>36. Kg2 Bb4     37. Qf1 a4      38. g4 a3       39. Nfg1 a2     40. Rxa2 Qxa2
>41. h3 Qc2      42. g5 Nxe2     43. Nxe2 Nc3    44. gxh6 gxh6   45. Ng1 Rxc1
>46. Qxc1
>{White resigns} 0-1
>[Event "ICC 15 3 07/05/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.07.05"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Kingway"]
>[Black "crafty"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[WhiteElo "2477"]
>[BlackElo "2548"]
>[ECO "D31"]
>[NIC "QP.08"]
>[LongECO "QGD: Charousek (Petrosian) variation"]
>
> 1. d4 d5        2. c4 e6        3. Nc3 Be7      4. cxd5 exd5    5. Qc2 Nc6
> 6. Bf4 Nxd4     7. Qa4+ Nc6     8. O-O-O Nf6    9. e4 Bd7      10. exd5 Ne5
>11. Bb5 Ng6     12. Bg5 O-O     13. Bxf6 Bxb5   14. Bxe7 Bxa4   15. Bxd8 Bxd1
>16. Bxc7 Bg4    17. f3 Rac8     18. Bg3 Bd7     19. Ne2 Rfe8    20. Kd2 Ne7
>21. Nd4 Rc4     22. Kd3 Rb4     23. b3 Nf5      24. Nce2 Nxg3   25. hxg3 Rb6
>26. g4 Rd6      27. Nc3 b5      28. b4 a6       29. a3 f6       30. Rc1 Re7
>31. Rd1 h6      32. Nb3 f5      33. gxf5 Bxf5+  34. Kd2 Kf7     35. Nc5 g5
>36. Rf1 Be6     37. Nxe6 Rexe6  38. Kd3 Rd8     39. Kd4 Rc6     40. Kd3 Kg6
>41. Ra1 Kf5     42. Re1 h5      43. Re4 h4      44. Kd2 Rcd6    45. Kd3 Rc8
>46. Kd2 Rcc6    47. Kd3 Rd7     48. Kd2 Kg6     49. Kd3 Rd8     50. Kd2 Rf6
>51. Kd3 h3      52. gxh3 Rxf3+  53. Kd4 Rc8     54. Re6+ Kh5    55. Rc6 Ra8
>56. d6 Rxh3     57. Ne4 Rf3     58. Rc5 Rg8     59. d7 Rd8      60. Rxg5+ Kh4
>61. Rd5 Rf7     62. Nc5 Re7     63. Nxa6 Rexd7  64. Rxd7 Rxd7+  65. Kc5 Rd3
>66. Kxb5 Rxa3   67. Nc5 Rg3     68. Kc6 Rg6+    69. Kc7 Kg3     70. b5 Kh4
>71. b6 Rxb6     72. Kxb6
>{Game drawn because neither player has mating material} 1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "ICC 15 15 07/06/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.07.06"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "crafty"]
>[Black "Kingway"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[WhiteElo "2537"]
>[BlackElo "2499"]
>[ECO "A44"]
>[NIC "OI.09"]
>[LongECO "Old Benoni defense"]
>
> 1. d4 c5       2. d5 e5       3. c4 d6       4. e4 Be7      5. Nf3 Nd7
> 6. Nc3 Ngf6    7. Be2 O-O     8. O-O Kh8     9. Ne1 Ne8    10. f4 exf4
>11. Bxf4 Bg5   12. Qd2 Bxf4   13. Qxf4 Ne5   14. Nf3 Qe7    15. Nxe5 Qxe5
>16. Qxe5 dxe5  17. Na4 b6     18. Nc3 Nd6    19. Rae1 Bd7   20. Bd3 f6
>21. Re2 g6     22. Ref2 Kg7   23. Rf3 h5     24. Re3 h4     25. Be2 Rae8
>26. b3 Re7     27. Nb1 f5     28. Nd2 f4     29. Rc3 g5     30. h3 Kf6
>31. Kf2 Rg7    32. Bg4 Bxg4   33. hxg4 Ke7   34. Rh3 Ne8    35. Nb1 Nd6
>36. Nc3 Kd7    37. Ke2 Kc7    38. Nb5+ Nxb5  39. cxb5 a6    40. bxa6 Ra8
>41. a4 Rxa6    42. Rc3 Kd6    43. Rb1 Rc7    44. Rc4 Ra5    45. b4 Ra6
>46. Kd3 cxb4   47. Rcxb4 Rb7  48. Ke2 Rb8    49. Rc1 b5     50. axb5 Rab6
>51. Rc6+ Kd7   52. Rxb6 Rxb6  53. Kd3 Kd6    54. Kc4 Kc7
>{Black resigns} 1-0
>
>[Event "ICC 20 5 07/19/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.07.19"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Kingway"]
>[Black "crafty"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[WhiteElo "2488"]
>[BlackElo "2579"]
>[ECO "B40"]
>[NIC "SI.43"]
>[LongECO "Sicilian defense"]
>
> 1. e4 c5        2. Nf3 e6       3. d3 d5        4. Nbd2 Nc6     5. g3 Nf6
> 6. Qe2 Qc7      7. Bg2 Nb4      8. Kd1 dxe4     9. Nxe4 Be7    10. Bf4 Qa5
>11. Ne5 Nxa2    12. Nc4 Nc3+    13. bxc3 Qxa1+  14. Kd2 Nxe4+   15. Bxe4 Qa6
>16. Qh5 g6      17. Qh6 Bf8     18. Qg5 Rg8     19. Rb1 f5      20. Bf3 h6
>21. Qf6 Be7     22. Qe5 g5      23. Be3 g4      24. Bg2 Kd7     25. Bxc5 Bg5+
>26. Be3 Bxe3+   27. fxe3 f4     28. Qxf4 Ke8    29. Qxh6 Rf8    30. Qg6+ Ke7
>31. Qg5+ Ke8    32. Ke2 Rf5     33. Qg6+ Ke7    34. Qg7+ Rf7    35. Qxg4 Qa2
>36. Rb2 Qa1     37. Qg5+ Kf8    38. Qc5+ Kg8    39. Qg5+ Kf8    40. Qd8+ Kg7
>41. Rb5 Qxc3    42. Qg5+ Kf8    43. Qd8+ Kg7    44. Rg5+ Kh6    45. Qg8 Qf6
>46. Be4 Qf2+    47. Kd1 Qg1+    48. Kd2 Rf2+    49. Kc3 Qa1+    50. Kb4 Qb1+
>51. Kc5 Qb5+    52. Kxb5 Bd7+   53. Kc5 Rxg8    54. Rxg8 Rxc2   55. Kd6 Bc6
>56. Bxc6 bxc6   57. h4 a5       58. Ne5 Kh7     59. Ra8 Rg2     60. g4 Rh2
>61. h5 Rh3      62. e4 Kh6
>{Black resigns} 1-0
>
>[Event "ICC 20 10 07/23/1998"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1998.07.23"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Kingway"]
>[Black "crafty"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[WhiteElo "2498"]
>[BlackElo "2581"]
>[ECO "C48"]
>[NIC "KP.03"]
>[LongECO "Four knights: Spanish, classical defense"]
>
> 1. e4 e5       2. Nf3 Nc6     3. Nc3 Nf6     4. Bb5 Bc5     5. Bxc6 bxc6
> 6. d3 d6       7. h3 O-O      8. Bg5 Bb4     9. O-O Bxc3   10. bxc3 Qe7
>11. Rb1 Be6    12. c4 Rfb8    13. Qd2 Rb6    14. Rb3 Rab8   15. Rfb1 R8b7
>16. Qa5 c5     17. Rxb6 cxb6  18. Qe1 Bd7    19. Nd2 Qe6    20. Nf1 Nh5
>21. Qd2 f6     22. Be3 f5     23. exf5 Qxf5  24. f3 Qg6     25. Kh2 Bc6
>26. Qf2 Qe8    27. Ng3 Nxg3   28. Qxg3 Rf7   29. Rf1 Bb7    30. Rb1 Qa4
>31. Rb2 Rf6    32. Qg5 Bc8    33. Bc1 Bf5    34. Bd2 Qa3    35. Bc1 Qa5
>36. Qd2 Qa4    37. Qg5 Qd7    38. Bd2 Rg6    39. Qh4 Be6    40. Bg5 Qe8
>41. Bd2 Bf5    42. Bg5 Bd7    43. Bd2 Bc6    44. Bg5 Qf7    45. c3 Bd7
>46. Rd2 Bc6    47. Be3 Rf6    48. Bg5 Rf5    49. Be3 Qc7    50. Qg4 Rf7
>51. Qg5 Rf8    52. Qg4 Qf7    53. Qg5 Qe8    54. Qg4 Bd7    55. Qh4 Rf6
>56. Bg5 Rf7    57. Be3 Be6    58. Bg5 Bf5    59. Be3 Rf6    60. Qe1 Qg6
>61. Qd1 Rf8    62. Qe2 Qf6    63. Qe1 Qe6    64. Qd1 Qe7    65. Qe1 Qf7
>66. Qh4 Be6    67. Qe1 Qh5    68. Qg3 Rf6    69. Qg5 Qe8    70. Qh4 Bc8
>71. Bg5 Rf8    72. Be3 Bf5    73. Qe1 Qc6    74. Qd1 Qd7    75. Qe1 Bxh3
>76. Qh4 Be6    77. Kg1 Bf5    78. Qg5 Qf7    79. Kh2 Qe8    80. Kg1 Rf6
>81. Qh4 Qe6    82. Kh2 Bg6    83. Qg5 Qe8    84. Kg1 Qa4    85. Qg4 Bf5
>86. Qh5 h6     87. Kh2 Qa3    88. Qe8+ Kh7   89. Qb5 Qc1    90. Qb3 Qe1
>{White resigns} 0-1
>~



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