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Subject: Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then....

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 16:41:03 02/03/03

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On February 03, 2003 at 19:33:55, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On February 03, 2003 at 19:05:27, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2003 at 18:54:54, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against
>>>Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a
>>>program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_
>>>Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned
>>>super GM's 2500 players.
>>>It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of
>>>the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be.
>>>Any comments welcome.
>>>Regards,
>>>Peter
>>
>>A pity that you do not read.   Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate
>>the strength.   And hard competition doesn't exist.   That's it.   I still hold
>>that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess.
>
>All top  chess tournaments are show events, so is every superbowl match, in fact
>every sport with spectators is a show event. You can't conclude from this that
>what you are seeing is not real.

You mix up what I said. Ok, if you want with spectators call it show event. But
that was not what I meant. If you define all as show then we must find two new
definitions for shows like now and simuls for instance and a term for fierce
tournament chess! What I said was connected to real tournament chess WITH
participation of comps. Hope this helps.

Rolf Tueschen



>
>I don't know if Kasparov is playing his best, or if there are players better
>suited to beat the comps. It doesn't change the fact that Garrys is having
>problems with DJ here, playing real no-nonsense chess even.
>
>The Elo of a player is an average performance evaluation, it is not an upper
>limit on what they can perform, and on average computers are damn tough.
>
>-S.
>
>>Rolf Tueschen



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