Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 08:14:49 05/20/04
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On May 19, 2004 at 18:08:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 17:18:11, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On May 19, 2004 at 17:07:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2004 at 16:02:53, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2004 at 15:55:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 14:31:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 13:29:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:14:12, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:07:45, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:33:50, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:05:54, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Number 1 favourite is missing, why? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hydra is officially from the UAE. As I understood the sponsors do not allow >>>>>>>>>>Hydra to participate in an event in Israel. >>>>>>>>>>Richard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Someone please tell me that this is a rumor or missunderstanding. They banned a >>>>>>>>>chess engine from participation due to the country of its creator? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Exactly the opposite. We (organizers) told the Hydra team that they are welcomed >>>>>>>>to play in Israel under the UAE flag. But apparently their sponsors decided that >>>>>>>>they don't want to play in Israel. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Last time an engine was banned from participation due to the country of its >>>>>>>>creator was in Jakarta WMCCC 1996. The Junior team was not allowed to play there >>>>>>>>because Junior is an Israeli program. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I was under the impression that was not exactly the truth, the whold truth and >>>>>>>nothing but the truth. In fact, Junior was expected there. I received a phone >>>>>>>call in the wee hours of the morning from Bruce Moreland, asking me to help him >>>>>>>contact Amir since they had not shown up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe this was a case of "they didn't feel welcome and chose not to attend >>>>>>>for that reason." IE I can't really fault someone for not wanting to fly a UAE >>>>>>>flag in the middle of Israel either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So, IMHO it was more a matter of they didn't participate for many good reasons, >>>>>>>but I don't think they were _prevented_ from participating... >>>>>> >>>>>>Based on what I have read and heard, it was made clear to them that they cannot >>>>>>play under the Israeli flag in Jakarta. In other words, they were prevented from >>>>>>participation. Of course Amir or Shay can correct me if I'm wrong. >>>>> >>>>>Probably was (a) a sane decision to not fly an Israeli flag there and (b) a >>>>>reasonable decision for them not to attend if they could not. As I said, a bit >>>>>of both... >>>>> >>>> >>>>I quoted Shay Bushinsky in the following post: >>>>http://talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?366082 >>>> >>>>Based on that, it was not a decision on behalf of the Junior team not to attend, >>>>they were simply *banned* from participation. >>>> >>> >>>reread what you posted. They were not "banned". >>> >>>Unless you redefine banned to mean something other than "not allowed". As I >>>said, they could have participated, not representing Israel. >> >>"not representing Israel", in other words *banned* from playing as Israeli >>representatives. What's hard to understand about that? > >Are you really that dense, or just acting so to prolong a discussion? > >"banned" means "not allowed to participate, _period_. It does not mean "not >allowed to participate under flag XXX or anything else". It means "not allowed >to participate." > >What is so hard to understand about using _proper_ definitions and terms? > >Yes they were _hindered_ from participating. Or they were even discouraged from >participating. But they were not _banned_ from participating... > > >> >>The Hydra team was explicitly told that they are welcome to play under the UAE >>flag. >> >>P.S. Of course I'm not criticizing the Hydra team, as they wanted to join. The >>guys who prevented that were their UAE sponsors. > >Both decisions to not play are reasonable... And by the way, why is Hydra's political decision not to play in Israel "reasonable"? > > >> >> >>>I don't like that >>>option and as I also said, I considered their not showing up as "a reasonable >>>decision". >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't want >>>>>>>>>to lead the discussion into a political debate here but if the above statement >>>>>>>>>is true, this bigotry should not be condoned and further posting of this event >>>>>>>>>should not be allowed here.
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