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Subject: Re: Where's Hydra?

Author: Omid David Tabibi

Date: 08:14:49 05/20/04

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On May 19, 2004 at 18:08:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 19, 2004 at 17:18:11, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>
>>On May 19, 2004 at 17:07:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 19, 2004 at 16:02:53, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 15:55:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 14:31:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 13:29:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:14:12, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:07:45, Bryan Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:33:50, Richard Pijl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:05:54, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Number 1 favourite is missing, why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hydra is officially from the UAE. As I understood the sponsors do not allow
>>>>>>>>>>Hydra to participate in an event in Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>Richard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Someone please tell me that this is a rumor or missunderstanding. They banned a
>>>>>>>>>chess engine from participation due to the country of its creator?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Exactly the opposite. We (organizers) told the Hydra team that they are welcomed
>>>>>>>>to play in Israel under the UAE flag. But apparently their sponsors decided that
>>>>>>>>they don't want to play in Israel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Last time an engine was banned from participation due to the country of its
>>>>>>>>creator was in Jakarta WMCCC 1996. The Junior team was not allowed to play there
>>>>>>>>because Junior is an Israeli program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was under the impression that was not exactly the truth, the whold truth and
>>>>>>>nothing but the truth.  In fact, Junior was expected there.  I received a phone
>>>>>>>call in the wee hours of the morning from Bruce Moreland, asking me to help him
>>>>>>>contact Amir since they had not shown up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I believe this was a case of "they didn't feel welcome and chose not to attend
>>>>>>>for that reason."  IE I can't really fault someone for not wanting to fly a UAE
>>>>>>>flag in the middle of Israel either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, IMHO it was more a matter of they didn't participate for many good reasons,
>>>>>>>but I don't think they were _prevented_ from participating...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Based on what I have read and heard, it was made clear to them that they cannot
>>>>>>play under the Israeli flag in Jakarta. In other words, they were prevented from
>>>>>>participation. Of course Amir or Shay can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably was (a) a sane decision to not fly an Israeli flag there and (b) a
>>>>>reasonable decision for them not to attend if they could not.  As I said, a bit
>>>>>of both...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I quoted Shay Bushinsky in the following post:
>>>>http://talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?366082
>>>>
>>>>Based on that, it was not a decision on behalf of the Junior team not to attend,
>>>>they were simply *banned* from participation.
>>>>
>>>
>>>reread what you posted.  They were not "banned".
>>>
>>>Unless you redefine banned to mean something other than "not allowed".  As I
>>>said, they could have participated, not representing Israel.
>>
>>"not representing Israel", in other words *banned* from playing as Israeli
>>representatives. What's hard to understand about that?
>
>Are you really that dense, or just acting so to prolong a discussion?
>
>"banned" means "not allowed to participate, _period_.  It does not mean "not
>allowed to participate under flag XXX or anything else".  It means "not allowed
>to participate."
>
>What is so hard to understand about using _proper_ definitions and terms?
>
>Yes they were _hindered_ from participating.  Or they were even discouraged from
>participating.  But they were not _banned_ from participating...
>
>
>>
>>The Hydra team was explicitly told that they are welcome to play under the UAE
>>flag.
>>
>>P.S. Of course I'm not criticizing the Hydra team, as they wanted to join. The
>>guys who prevented that were their UAE sponsors.
>
>Both decisions to not play are reasonable...

And by the way, why is Hydra's political decision not to play in Israel
"reasonable"?






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>>>I don't like that
>>>option and as I also said, I considered their not showing up as "a reasonable
>>>decision".
>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I don't want
>>>>>>>>>to lead the discussion into a political debate here but if the above statement
>>>>>>>>>is true, this bigotry should not be condoned and further posting of this event
>>>>>>>>>should not be allowed here.



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