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Subject: Re: Dragging drawn games out pointlessly

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:48:49 12/21/99

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On December 21, 1999 at 15:38:45, James T. Walker wrote:

>On December 21, 1999 at 14:54:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 21, 1999 at 14:18:05, Mike S. wrote:
>>
>>>This game is really horrible. I support what you say. Maybe programmers could
>>>define a condition like "If no advancement (evaluation increase) is made for ten
>>>moves, so accept a draw offer". The problem can also occur when a position is
>>>theoretically won by the side which has a material advantage (which the computer
>>>has and won't ever accept a draw therefore), but the computer can't find a
>>>method to win.
>>>
>>>Btw., has anybody ever got a draw offer from a program? I haven't. I would like
>>>to see this also.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>M.Scheidl
>>
>>
>>If you watch crafty play on ICC you will see it happen all the time.  If you
>>play it on your own machine it will also offer draws....
>>
>>and accept them when it is reasonable to do so.
>
>I assume you are talking about "The Crafty" and not Crafty Clones.  My
>experience with Crafty is that it continues to play for a "Swindle" when the
>tablebases tell it the game is a draw.  Crafty has other annoying habits like
>resigning at "Mate in 1" when it has been seeing mate for about 15 moves via the
>tablebases.
>Jim Walker

What is annoying to you is just sound chess.  It has been in _plenty_ of
drawn krp vs kr endings where the kr side made a mistake and lost.  No reason
to offer a draw until the opponent draws the game.  It has been in several
mate-in-N positions where the opponent couldn't mate (one was knn vs kp where
it had the kp). Why resign?  Make your opponent win.  Remember Kasparov vs Deep
Blue round 2?



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