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Subject: Re: DB vs Kasparov - Who won?

Author: Mike CastaƱuela

Date: 15:21:43 01/20/00

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On January 20, 2000 at 17:55:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 20, 2000 at 12:10:41, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2000 at 11:05:53, stuart taylor wrote:
>>
>>>>How about IBM DBII vs the top 5 SSDF programs on fastest machines in
>>>>a tournamet (multi-processors allowed)?
>>>>
>>>>IMHO:  IBM DBII ties for first (+2, =3, 0).  :)
>>>>
>>>>Hey, it's just speculation.  Have some fun with it.  :)
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm not convinced that IBM DB11 would always necesarily win a 6 game match
>>>with every top program every time. You might be very surprised.S.T.
>>
>>Valid point.
>>
>>I was being very conservative.   I agree with you.  There are some very
>>strong programs out now.  :)
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson
>
>
>Doesn't matter.  What appears strong to a class B player doesn't necessarily
>appear strong to a master.  DB pretty well proved itself rating and performance
>wise.  Both against humans and computers...

Prof. Hyatt:
I wonder, after many messages readed related to this topic,
why so much pleitesy of you towards DB?

1. Kasparov has proved to be the best player, BUT definitely not the best
   in playing against machines, as is recognized by himself
  (see comments by him about Frankfurt Tournament, about Fritz, Genius, etc.)

2. Kasparov also say (and obvioulsy he knows because he played both):
   "DB is dumber comparing to micro's programs" or something similar (I think
   he refers to chess knowledge, not calculus capacity).

3. The merit (part) of DB against humans was no existence of history games to
   study by part of its oponents (e.g. "black box", in oppsoite to micro
   programs situation).

4. If the TPR of DB was grossly ~2550-2600, and Rebel with ~2480 then there
   isn't huge difference, and also Rebel may not be the best representative.

I know that DB is better, but not for so much, IMHO.







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