Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:28:55 01/23/00
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On January 23, 2000 at 20:21:53, Chris Carson wrote: >On January 23, 2000 at 17:15:27, blass uri wrote: > >>On January 23, 2000 at 16:58:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 23, 2000 at 14:25:53, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>Date Event Opp Program PS USCF >>>>Nov-88 19ACM Challenger DT-0.02 0.5 >>>>Nov-88 19ACM SunPhoen DT-0.02 1 >>>>Nov-88 19ACM Hitech DT-0.02 1 >>>>Nov-88 19ACM Mephisto DT-0.02 1 micro >>>>Nov-89 20ACM SunPhoen DT 1 2508 >>>>Nov-89 20ACM Bp DT 1 2508 >>>>Nov-89 20ACM Hitech DT 1 2508 >>>>Nov-89 20ACM Rebel 89 DT 1 2508 micro >>>>Nov-89 20ACM Mephisto DT 0 2508 micro >>>>Nov-90 21ACM Bebe DT/88 1 2586 >>>>Nov-90 21ACM Belle DT/88 1 2586 >>>>Nov-90 21ACM Mephisto DT/88 1 2586 micro >>>>Nov-90 21ACM Hitech DT/88 0 2586 >>>>Nov-90 21ACM Zarkov DT/88 1 2586 micro >>>>Nov-91 22ACM Zarkov DT-II 1 micro >>>>Nov-91 22ACM Mchess DT-II 1 micro >>>>Nov-91 22ACM Hitech DT-II 1 >>>>Nov-91 22ACM CrayBlitz DT-II 1 >>>>Nov-91 22ACM Mephisto DT-II 1 micro >>>>Jun-94 24ACM Zarkov DB prot 1 >>>>Jun-94 24ACM Mchess DB prot 0 micro >>>>Jun-94 24ACM Wchess DB prot 1 micro >>>>Jun-94 24ACM Star Soc DB prot 1 >>>>Jun-94 24ACM Mchess DB prot 1 micro >>>>May-95 8thWCCC Star Soc DB prot 1 >>>>May-95 8thWCCC Hitech DB prot 1 >>>>May-95 8thWCCC Cheiron DB prot 1 >>>>May-95 8thWCCC Wchess DB prot 0.5 micro >>>>May-95 8thWCCC Fritz 3 DB prot 0 micro >>>> >>>>Source: M. Newborn, (1997), "Kasparov versus Deep Blue", >>>>Springer-Verlag, New York, New York >>>> >>>>Notes: >>>> >>>>DT/DB prototype scored 9.5/13 on the micros between Nov 1988 >>>>and May 1995. Not very impressive IMHO, considering the huge >>>>hardware advantage. :) >>>> >>>>IMHO, the micros had the more impressive performance, especially >>>>in 1995 when Fritz won the tournament! :) >>>> >>>>Best Regards, >>>>Chris Carson >>> >>> >>>Note that the game vs Mchess was not played. It was a forfeit without a >>>move being played, due to a big thunderstorm knocking out all the telephone >>>equipment into the Watson lab. >>> >>>one loss is _not_ bad... and that is all they had in legitimate games... >> >>They had 2 losses in legitimate games against micros >>Fritz and mephisto. >> >>I see that they had also one loss against Hitech in november 90 and I believe >>that this hitech is weaker than the micros of today. >> >>They had 2 draws against a micro(wchess) and against challanger in november 88 >> >>Uri > >Quite right. The data against humans and computers show that DT >and DB (prototype) were inferior than commercial/hw today (DT >was USCF ratings not FIDE and I notice that a lot of the games >quoted for the DT USCF ratings are G/30, G/60 and G/90 and DT >did very poorly against humans at those time controls compared >to todays commercials/hw). > >Today's commercials have TPR's consistently above DB's and very >close to DBII (perhaps better on PIII-800+ multi-processors, time >will tell when games are played). > >But, my guess is we will hear some blah, blah, blah, wait for >some mythical chip, don't believe the data, watch me pull a >rabbit out out of my hat - statements. :) > Here's a rabbit or three: Which commercial program has produced a USCF rating of 2550+? Which commercial program has produced a TPR of 2650 over 25 consecutive games? When you can point to one, I'll listen carefully. I am not interested in TPRs of 2600 for 5 games, followed by a TPR of 2300 for the next 5, etc. When you can point to a program that has come close to that, let me know and provide games as Monty did in his book. And remember that this was all on 1986 hardware. DB/DB2 didn't have anything to do with those results, although they produced some pretty good TPRs against the best player in the world. >Best Regards, >Chris Carson
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