Author: Mark Young
Date: 05:09:58 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 07:14:55, Chessfun wrote: >On June 26, 2001 at 06:25:16, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 26, 2001 at 00:17:21, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On June 25, 2001 at 22:01:57, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On June 25, 2001 at 21:54:07, Mike S. wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 25, 2001 at 18:15:41, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>The results are bogus anyway, I can sit at home and win games as he did....Let >>>>>>me run the computer against Eduard....I bet the results would be much different. >>>>>> >>>>>>Why does he not play a 20 game match, the computer will learn what he is doing >>>>>>and pick a different way of playing against 2.Na3 Then he is toast. >>>>> >>>>>What matters then, is the single game (each) with a brilliant win against the >>>>>program, and not, if the learning feature may avoid repetition (or if some games >>>>>may be lost beforehand). That's not the point, but that these games can happen >>>>>at least once on each computer. I would be glad if I were capable of winning >>>>>such games regularly (I have some, but very few old one's). >>>>> >>>>>Furthermore, why call the results bogus, unless you have evidence that these >>>>>games aren't reproduceable or possible? That's not quite fair IMO. >>>> >>>>The point is we are talking about games under tournament conditions, not games >>>>sitting at home at blitz times, with no controls. Anyone can sit, play with the >>>>program, and produce games like this, but its not the same when you don't have >>>>control of the screen, program, and the settings of the program. >>> >>> >>>To me I see a different point. >>>Try playing a GM 50 times and see how many you'll win. >>>Forget the time controls for a second as IMO Eduard could easily >>>repeat this at tournament controls as I feel I also could. >>>Computers are known for being better at blitz than GM's simply log >>>onto ICC and have a look. With a computer once you find the path to >>>the win in most cases the path remains open. Simply play out of book >>>asap if you win the computer in all liklihood will repeat it's same mistakes. >>> >>>Try that against a GM. >> >>You tell me a GM who is willing to be exploited like we can the computer >>programs, and I might be able to produce a draw or a win also. >> >>Can I program holes in the human GMs book to let me FOOLS mate him. :) > >You can't "fools mate" any current program. Most program books are clearly >good enough and most strong humans who play them play book lines to about 15 >moves. Now there are *rules* on how you can exploit the programs....I see. > >>The point is sitting at home cooking up ways to exploit the computer is not what >>I would call tournament conditions. > >The same cooking can be done and then played out under tournament conditions. > >>BTW: Eduard only posts his wins, and you don't know what his record would be >>under a fair test playing the computers under fair match or tournament >>conditions. > >Naturally, I would assume that in winning these games first you must play >a bunch that don't pan out. But the same can be done at longer controls and once >acheived it will repeat. > >Sarah.
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