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Subject: Re: Junior 8 can't mates with B+N !!

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 05:03:20 07/28/03

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On July 28, 2003 at 07:36:58, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 28, 2003 at 07:17:08, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On July 28, 2003 at 02:26:49, margolies,marc wrote:
>>
>>>Ok terry, eduard-- I agree with both of you. Whenever you enter yourselfs in
>>>computer chess competitions from now on, you have may permission to bring all
>>>five volumes of eco with you into the computer competition from now on,
>>>similarly all five volumes of ece-- i'll right you a note for FIDE.
>>>Also, in fairness with fide rules, we should drug test the computer operators
>>>with serum and urine so that you boys wont be unfairly hampered as humans, which
>>>I still presume that you are.
>>>best regards, marc
>>
>>
>>No we're ALIENS....
>>
>>Now what the hell are you talking about? I said programmes should have _all_
>>basic Endgame Knowledge....IE Fundamental Mates with K+Q vs K, K+R vs K ,
>>K+BB vs King, K+BN vs K, and how to win Basic Endgames, such as K+Q vs K+R etc.
>>
>>I don't agree that EGTBS should be needed to cover this type of Elementry Chess
>>Knowledge. They also should understand a B of the Wrong Colour can't force a
>>pawn in on the Rook File, also they should see other Elementry Draws with  pawns
>>advanced to the seventh rank, IE Bishop File and Rook File can Force Draw
>>against K+Q vs K+P on these files if the opposing King is too far away and the
>>other King is there supporting these pawns.
>>
>>Terry
>
>I do not plan to implement tablebases and I plan to implement this knowledge in
>the future in movei(I already have part of it in my latest version and latest
>movei knows to win KQ vs KR)
>
>I do not like the fact that people criticize programs like Junior for not having
>the knowledge because the purpose of the programmers was to teach the program to
>play better and not to solve the problem without tablebases.
>
>I even read that some deleted knowledge after implementing tablebases because
>the knowledge is not needed.
>
>I do not think that people should be surprised when a program that was developed
>for task A fails in task B.
>
>A lot of top programs are developed to play better and the programmers do not
>care about what happens when you do not use tablebases.
>
>By the same logic you can decide that the program should not use hash
>tables(humans do not have memory to remember million of lines).
>
>They should not search more than 10 nodes per second(humans are unable to search
>more than it and if you give programs to search more than 10 nodes per second
>then it is the same as giving humans more time).
>
>Uri

You can't be serious?

Terry



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