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Subject: Re: Junior - Crafty NPS Challenge - a user experiment

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:01:27 11/22/03

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On November 22, 2003 at 16:00:44, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On November 22, 2003 at 15:48:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 2003 at 03:52:25, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>On November 22, 2003 at 00:55:50, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>If the 233mhz doesn't die first, here's my prediction:
>>>>
>>>>You play MORE than 12 games. Crafty wins, but with so many draws, >it'll "cancel" any *real* proof the match might have given.
>>>
>>>Nonsense. If he plays on till the score DIFFERENCE is 6 points,
>>>it's staticstically a very valid result (somewhere >90 or >95%
>>>certainty).
>>
>>The point is that if Crafty wins 6 games after playing 6 games, you
>>get _one_ rating.  If it wins 6 games out of 1000 games, you get
>>a totally different rating that doesn't prove much about the +6 game
>>edge...
>
>For the rating - yes. For the question "how certain can I be that the winner is
>really better", it depends. When the remaining 994 games were draw, the
>confidince level for Crafty beeing better (in the sense: will win any match) is
>just as good as in a plain 6-0 without any draws. The rating will not show that.
>The example might be not so good, because one really cannot calculate a rating
>difference with 6-0. But say 11-1 and 1011-1001 give the same confidence of the
>winner beeing better when in the first case it was +11 =0 -1 and in the second
>case +11 =2000 -1. The calculated rating difference (which tries to predict
>scores of matches, not the probability that one is better) will be very
>different again.
>
>Regards,
>Dieter


I disagree.  6-0-0 vs 6-0-1000 are way different results.  And the
rating and rating error bar would be far different.  With a 6 0 result
I would conclude the 6 side is significantly better.  with 6 wins and
1000 draws I would not conclude _either_ was better with any confidence.



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