Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 04:29:20 06/11/04
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On June 11, 2004 at 02:14:32, Ed Schröder wrote: >On June 09, 2004 at 10:13:30, Franz Hagra wrote: > >>Te3 is not winning at all - its a draw (only in the original game black wins). >> >>Te3 is the key to draw the position, but its not essential to play it as first >>move at all - so the test position is clear in logical human sence, but not >>under test conditions, because the test only works correct, when only Te3 as >>first move is found! >> >>Tad8 also leads to a draw position like Te3 - so the TEST POSITION is not >>correct at all. > >[d]r3r1k1/1pq2pp1/2p2n2/1PNn4/2QN2b1/6P1/3RPP2/2R3KB b - - > >1..Re3 is a sound positional attacking move and according to my own brainchild >there is a difference of 0.25 in score between 1..Re3 and 1..Rad8. The position >IMO is a fine one to test the strategic insight of a chess program. > >My best, > >Ed Ed, you did NOT comment on the main finding Hagra has published here in http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?369557! I translate a second time into English: a) machine FRITZ 8 on AMD 1400 gets a solution time of 1 sec and that means highest points for position no. 1 (which you gave thankfully above) b) machine FRITZ 8 on AMD 2800 gets a solution time of 480 sec!! So that it gets way worse points in position no. 1!! Here is my verbal explanation (all found by Hagra): a stronger [!] machine on better hardware (do you accept that or do you claim that AMD 1400 is STRONGER than AMD 2800?) is able to make a deeper [!!] calculation and therefore finds the variation with first Rad8 - NOT as a final solution, Ed! But as a variation, before it THEN comes back to Re3. Now, the point is that such a behaviour is by far a sign for weaker strength but for _better_ strength. But alas, Ed, the so called "WM-Test" of Dr. Mikhail Gurevich gives to the weaker machine more points than for the stronger machine. Question of Hagra and also myself: is this a reasonable test design if a stronger machine gets less points just because it looks deeper into the position? As you know the time for all machines per position is 20 minutes. And Gurevich defines the "stable holding of the once chosen move" [my verbal interpretation] as the best way to test the *analytical ability* of a machine. Do you now understand the contradiction in the test design of Dr. Mikhail Gurevich, dear Ed? Higher abilities get a worse result! Is that sound? Hopefully NOT. Hope this clarifies the problem we faced with the German "WM-Test" in CSS. Best, Rolf
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