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Subject: Re: Fritz endgame CD

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 14:05:22 03/25/99

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On March 25, 1999 at 06:25:51, blass uri wrote:

>
>On March 25, 1999 at 06:02:56, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On March 25, 1999 at 00:19:38, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>Here are some wrong assumptions that explain errors for my Fritz5(16 bit):
>>>
>>>assumption 1:KRP vs KR cannot be a win for the weaker side.(There is no problem
>>>of this assumption for KQP vs KQ)
>>>assumption 2:KQ vs KRP cannot be a win for the weaker side.
>>>assumption 3:KQX vs KQ when X is not a pawn is a draw unless X is a rook.
>>>assumption 4:KQR vs KQ cannot be a win for the weaker side.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Regarding KQP vs KQ:
>>
>>White: Kh6, Qc7, Ph7
>>Black: Kg4, Qa6 (to play)
>I guess that you mean Qb5 and the tablebases show the mate.
>
>>1...Qg5# would win for the "weaker" side.

Sorry, yes, was a mistake.  As you point out, black Q on b5 works.

As far as I know, the tables that Fritz is using only indicate "win for stronger
side" or "not win for stronger side"... which is being interpreted as "draw".
So if there is a position that was theoretically drawn, Fritz might play the
queen to a6, thinking that the position is still drawn.

I guess what you were saying was that such a position (where white is not
winning and can blunder into a loss) does not exist in KQP vs KQ?  I am not 100%
sure of this, but maybe. :-)

>>If they only probe the tablebases at the root of the tree, I can imagine your
>>suggestion of doing a short search before and after working.  If they probe
>>within the search like Crafty does, the overhead might be too significant.
>
>They only probe at the root
>
>Uri

Okay.

Dave Gomboc




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