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Subject: Re: So why *does* Fritz beat Crafty?

Author: Christopher R. Dorr

Date: 18:35:06 03/29/99

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On March 29, 1999 at 18:08:28, blass uri wrote:

>
>On March 29, 1999 at 13:33:20, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>
>
>>In short, I believe the premise of this thread is somewhat flawed. Crafty has
>>not (against humans) been demonstrated to be significantly weaker than anything
>>else, especially at speed.
>
>The results of mark young showed that Hiarcs7 is better than parallel crafty  at
>10 min+20 seconds or faster time control(5+5 to 5+12)
>
>
>
>Here are the results by mark young:
>Results:
>
>Matches with Bob Hyatt.
>
>Hiarcs7(PII450)  Vs. Crafty(Quad Xeon PII 400)    Hiarcs7 wins +5 -2 =1  TC
>10min  20 sec incs.
>
>
>Server games with Hiarcs7 against Crafty.
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>TC - Blitz from 5 min 5 sec incs. to 5 min 12 sec. incs.
>
>Hiarcs7(PII 450) wins
>
>+28 -5 =7
>
>Avg. speed of the crafty's per game was 668 MHz.  Most games were against
>multi-cpu Crafty's.
>
>If crafty is not weaker then how do you explain the result of mark young against
>crafty?
>

If Crafty is not stronger, how do you explain the higher rating on ICC for
Crafty? Even at standard, when response time is diminished in importance. There
is conflicting data here.

I remember the late 80's early 90's when Fritz1 outscored Zarkov 2.5
significantly in computer-computer matches, but was weaker when playing against
people. It happened then, and it happens now.

I'm not saying that Crafty *isn't* weaker, just that *I'm* not convinced it is.
A Single processor Crafty (Mofongo) is over 3050 in blitz on ICC. better then
*everything* else. How can you conclusively say that Crafty is weaker when it is
the highest rated *anthing* on ICC?

I've played just about everything out there, and honestly feel that Crafty may
very well be up there with the best of them.

Chris Dorr




>Uri



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