Author: Amir Ban
Date: 13:39:22 01/12/00
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On January 12, 2000 at 04:44:34, Peter Kappler wrote:
>On January 11, 2000 at 06:58:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 11, 2000 at 05:25:49, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On January 11, 2000 at 01:10:56, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>Worst of all, I think he considered Deep Blue to be a micro program with a big
>>>>box around it. He really had no comprehension of how much better 200 Million
>>>>NPS is than 200 Thousand NPS. Statments about how {paraphrasing} "computers
>>>>will never make a move like that" indicate to me that he prepared by playing
>>>>against micros. That is like preparing for Linares by running through a bunch
>>>>of games with C club players. Deep Blue will see things that other computers
>>>>simply will not see without allowing absurd time intervals. If he allowed the
>>>>micros to think for one week per move he might get something commensurate. But
>>>>then, the playing experience would not be the same, because he would be
>>>>operating at a slow, postal rate and have plenty of time to think through the
>>>>possibilities.
>>>>
>>>
>>>This has been said countless times before, and the follow up question: Show us
>>>one move that Deep Blue (or Deep Thought) made that a micro needs a week to
>>>find, has never been answered.
>>>
>>>Amir
>>
>>I pointed out one in the first match, in the game DB won, where Kasparov had a
>>mate in 1 for about 10 moves. A subtle rook move made the entire variation
>>work, where the rook move preferred by the micros at the time would have
>>resulted in deep trouble. I don't recall the game now, but I remember that
>>DB was white (again, in match 1 which it lost) and its king was hemmed in on
>>the kingside with Kasparov threatening mate. But he never got to play the
>>mate...
>>
>
>[Event "ACM Chess Challenge"]
>[Site "Philadelphia Convention Center"]
>[Date "96.02.10"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "Deep Blue"]
>[Black "Kasparov, Garry"]
>[Opening "Alapin Sicilian"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. Be2 e6 7. h3 Bh5
>8. O-O Nc6 9. Be3 cxd4 10. cxd4 Bb4 11. a3 Ba5 12. Nc3 Qd6 13. Nb5 Qe7
>14. Ne5 Bxe2 15. Qxe2 O-O 16. Rac1 Rac8 17. Bg5 Bb6 18. Bxf6 gxf6
>19. Nc4 Rfd8 20. Nxb6 axb6 21. Rfd1 f5 22. Qe3 Qf6 23. d5 Rxd5 24. Rxd5
>exd5 25. b3 Kh8 26. Qxb6 Rg8 27. Qc5 d4 28. Nd6 f4 29. Nxb7 Ne5
>30. Qd5 f3 31. g3 Nd3 32. Rc7 Re8 33. Nd6 Re1+ 34. Kh2 Nxf2 35. Nxf7+
>Kg7 36. Ng5+ Kh6 37. Rxh7+ 1-0
>
>
>The move Bob referred to is 32. Rc7, which was played by DB in this position.
>
>[D]6rk/1N3p1p/5q2/3Q4/3p4/PP1n1pPP/5P2/2R3K1 w - -
>
>6rk/1N3p1p/5q2/3Q4/3p4/PP1n1pPP/5P2/2R3K1 w - -
>
>If I recall correctly, all of the micros wanted to play 32. Rc6.
>
>--Peter
Deep Junior wants to play Rc7 after 2:15 minutes.
Amir
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