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Subject: Re: Fritz defeats itself at Leiden!

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 09:29:46 05/19/01

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On May 19, 2001 at 11:33:42, Vine Smith wrote:

>On May 19, 2001 at 10:46:48, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>>On May 19, 2001 at 10:15:06, Vine Smith wrote:
>>
>>>On May 19, 2001 at 08:52:03, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 19, 2001 at 06:22:23, Vine Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 19, 2001 at 05:26:07, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Fritz - Gambit Tiger   Leiden round 4
>>>>>>-------------------------------------
>>>>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 Nc6 4. Be3 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. d5 Na5 7. Nf3 Bd6
>>>>>>8. Qa4+ Bd7 9. Qxa5 a6 10. Na4 Qe7 11. a3 Nxe4 12. Bxc4 b5 13. Bd3 Nf6
>>>>>>14. Nc3 e4 15. Nxe4 Nxe4 16. O-O O-O 17. Rfe1 f5 18. h3 Qf7 19. Rad1 Rfe8
>>>>>>20. Bc2 g6 21. b4 Nc3 22. Rd3 Qg7 23. Bd1 Ne4 24. Bd4 Qf7 25. Rde3 g5
>>>>>>26. Bc2 g4 27. hxg4 fxg4 28. Bxe4 gxf3 29. Bxf3 Qf4 30. Bc5 Qh2+ 31. Kf1
>>>>>>Bf4 32. Rxe8+ Bxe8 33. Be3 Bd6 34. Ke2 Bh5 35. Rd1 Qe5 36. Rd4 Bxf3+
>>>>>>37. gxf3 Qf5 38. Rd3 h5 39. a4 h4 40. axb5 h3 41. Qa1 h2 42. b6 cxb6
>>>>>>43. Qh1 Rc8 44. f4 Qh5+ 45. Kf1 Rc2 46. Bd2 Bxf4 47. d6 Rxd2 48. Rxd2 Bxd2
>>>>>>49. d7 Qd1+ 50. Kg2 Qxh1+ 0-1
>>>>>
>>>>>Astonishing positional suicide -- few, if any, humans would ever play 21.b4,
>>>>>entombing the queen. Of course, Tiger could afford to open the game in any way
>>>>>it pleased after that. It would be interesting to see if the lack of interest in
>>>>>liberating the queen is duplicated by many programs; correct or not, I would
>>>>>have been so concerned about this offside post that I would have played 17.Qe1
>>>>>immediately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The terms "mobility" and "king safety" comes to mind after this kamikaze...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I made a quick check on PIII 800 with 128 Mb hash. 4 min ponder.
>>>>
>>>> Fritz 5.32        21.b3  and later plays b3-b4.
>>>> Fritz 6 Old       21.b3
>>>> Fritz 6 (Newest)  21.b4
>>>> Deep Fritz        21.b4
>>>> Hiarcs 7.32       21.b4
>>>>
>>>> Then we have some non closers:
>>>>
>>>> Crafty 18.08      21.Bc1
>>>> Shredder 5        21.h4
>>>> Gandalf 4.32h     21.Kf1 or 21.Re2  (shifting after 4.02)
>>>>
>>>> Sune
>>>
>>>Horrible that not only Fritz, but also Deep Fritz (this program is going to play
>>>Kramnik???) and Hiarcs (with something of a good reputation for positional play,
>>>I thought) commit this blunder. Also, any program that doesn't evaluate the
>>>resulting position at something like -2.00 or lower has nothing to be proud of.
>>>I'm putting together a suite of positional problems to evaluate programs'
>>>understanding or lack thereof, and I'll have to include this position as an
>>>"avoid move" type of problem (even though it's a little unfair to Fritz, which
>>>will of course fail this one).
>>
>>
>>>Can you tell if Gandalf wants to play 21.Re2 in order to follow up with 22.Qe1?
>>>If so, that would mark it as the only program so far to demonstrate some concern
>>>about the queen's situation.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Vine
>>
>> Gandalf ponders about lines like 21.Re2 Nf6 22.Ng5 Qe7 23.Qc3, but
>> after some 8 minutes again shifts to 21.Kf1 b4 22.a4 = (Gandalf)
>>
>> Sune
>
>Ugh! This suggests some generalized failure of program evaluation routines. Even
>in Gandalf's line with 21...b4 22.a4, having the queen cut off in this manner
>seems fatal. I'm going to investigate whether very long-term searches will
>correct this fault, which would at least give these programs the hope that with
>the faster hardware of tomorrow, they could avoid such disastrous decisions.
>
>Regards,
>Vine

 Long-term searches here would sure be interesting - as your coming suite of
 positional problems. The latter must be pure gold for the programmers, if
 it's possible to pinpoint down just what the positions are all about - and
 transform them into programming language...

 Sune



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