Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:50:09 07/15/98
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On July 15, 1998 at 11:03:10, Danniel Corbit wrote: >On July 14, 1998 at 10:52:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >[snip] >>>I do not think DT was a true GM >>>do you think DT is better than the top microcomputers? >> >>not just better but significantly better. It was a true GM based on the >>Fredkin requirement that it play 24 games and that it's performance over >>24 straight games remain over 2500. It met that some time back. >[snip] >Disagree. Here is the official FIDE grandmaster list: >http://www.fide.org/info/gmdirect.htm >DT is not on the list. >DT is not a GM. >Simple. > I didn't say otherwise. At the time of DT, FIDE did *not* allow computer entries. So a computer GM was impossible. The Fredkin prize requirement was worded to the following: The computer must maintain a "rating" over 2550, for 25 consecutive games. It could not play only matches, there were various stipulations to prevent any sort of fudging. So, as I said, DT produced this rating. It did not play in any FIDE events, so it could not earn any GM norms. Nor could it even have a FIDE rating of 2500 to start the GM process. But it definitely *played* at a GM-level, based on its performance in multiple tournaments and matches with GM-class players. That's all I said. It was *clearly* a GM-player, even though it didn't/couldn't earn the GM title. >Without meeting the official requirements for becoming a GM, the program is not >a GM. An interesting aside is that the best chess player in the world may never >have played in a tournament. He/She might be able to beat every player in the >world without ever losing a game. But that player is not a GM until proven. > >If we are trying to establish, "Can program Fritz beat a GM?" I think the >answer is surely yes. Probably every good commercial chess program can do it. >I'll bet that every program in KKUP 2 could defeat one, given enough games. On >the other hand, if a large number of GM's played hundreds of serious games >against each of these programs, I believe a flaw would be discovered in each and >every one of them [probably in the approach of a couple GM's as well!]. I agree with you 100%. However, if you look at the Fredkin prize award information, DT was clearly playing "at GM strength, based on a >2550 rating for 25 consecutive games, computed using normal rating procedures." But, as you pointed out, it wasn't a "GM" in the FIDE list. It might well have been one in the USCF listing, there I don't know. There are multiple federations that award GM titles of course... Only FIDE awards the IGM title.
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