Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:19:51 09/23/02
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On September 23, 2002 at 11:44:48, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>On September 23, 2002 at 11:26:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>>Frank:
>>Didn't you take this _same_ position about both Voyager and Le Petite?
>
>No, all what you have written in the past to Voyager and LaPetite is to 100%
>right!!
Please re-read what I wrote. When I _first_ told you about voyager and
le petite, you were certain that I was incorrect.
In the case of Ruffian, I'm not sure it is anything at all, other than
a very unlikely happening.
Ruffian could be any of the following, in decreasing order of probability:
1. A copy of a freeware engine with some changes or additions.
2. A copy of a commercial engine, aided by a hex editor to change strings
to disguise what has happened.
3. A copy of a commercial engine, modified, after someone found access to
the un-released source code somehow.
4. A program written by a current commercial (or amateur) author and released
anonymously, for reasons I wouldn't try to guess.
5. A completely new program, developed by a completely new author, sight-
unseen by anybody until very recently.
It _could_ be any of those. I don't have an opinion yet, except that the
above list is written in decreasing probability order.
No "impossible" entry on the above list. But the bottom item is _very_ low
probability, IMHO of course...
That's all I have said.
When I first examined Le Petite, you were certain that the person distributing
it was (a) good enough to write a program and (b) trustworthy. Later you
changed your mind in light of overwhelming proof.
That may or may not happen in this case. I'm keeping an "open mind" and not
accepting any pig in a poke just yet...
All things are still possible, IMHO.
>
>My opinion was not right. But I am not a programmer and I have not see it. Look,
>we spent hours of time for test Voyager and I am very disappointed about
>Gabriele Müller (also Prof. Djordje Vidanovic and other persons).
>
>In this case I have not see that Voyager, LaPetite, LaGrande is Crafty.
>But the programmer of Voyager work on an own new learning mode (I know that).
>Bionic also, the programmer from Bionic have own code in his program and have
>written (after my information) that he used code from Crafty. I believe in
>Bionic cases a little misunderstanding. The Bionic programmer give maybe to late
>this information and thinking all is free and he must not asked.
>
>But clear is for me, after Pete Galati have sent me string files that Voyager
>and Co. is Crafty.
>
>>It
>>is ok to be "trusting" of everything around you if you want to be. But it is
>>_also_ ok for others to be less trusting, after having seen misbehavior dozens
>>of times in the past 30 years...
>>
>>In the case of the two programs above, you were certain that they were "new"
>>programs and that the authors could be trusted. Until I posted absolute proof
>>here that they were simple copies with a few names changed to protect the
>>guilty.
>>
>>fool me once, shame on you.
>>
>>fool me twice, shame on _me_.
>>
>>As the saying goes.
>>
>>I don't intend to be "fooled" again...
>
>I have 100% the same opinion.
>I can not more do as to sorry for my Voyager and LaPetite messages for 3 years.
>I have delete the program from my older webpages minutes later as I saw the
>string files. We have mailed in this time. The same for Siboney (with source
>code from Pepito).
>
>I understand your messages here.
>
>I think, all is possible and Ruffian is a little sensation.
>But after the things from the past are the rumors OK. I believe also the Ruffian
>author can understand this.
>
>Furhtermore, you have not say Ruffian is a crafty clone.
>You have added clear messages here, also easy to understand for me and my bad
>English.
>
>Best
>Frank
If I were guessing right now, I would be almost certain it is _not_ a crafty
clone. At least not one without significant modifications to the search,
based on output that has been posted here. It seems to reach the same
depth as shredder and the output looks similar as someone else mentioned.
But that is hardly conclusive of anything, yet...
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