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Subject: Re: an evaluation problem of chess programs

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:21:43 10/01/98

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On October 01, 1998 at 01:11:12, blass uri wrote:

>
>
>
>8/1r5p/6p1/8/P2k4/K6P/1R4P1/8 black to move
>
>Many programs are playing Rxb2 because they computes that white is losing its
>pawn in the pawn endgame and do not understand that after Rxb2 Kxb2 Kc4 Kc2 Kb4
>Kd3 Kxa4 white is winning.
>
>Rxb2 is not the first move they want to play because they need time to see that
>black wins a pawn by this stupid mistake after Rxb2 Kxb2 Kc4 Ka3
>
>Is there a program that understand by static evaluation that white is winning
>with the king at d3?(static evaluation at least 1.5 pawn advantage for white)
>
>Uri

I get this:

       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    8  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    7  |   | *R|   |   |   |   |   | *P|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    6  |   |   |   |   |   |   | *P|   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    5  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    4  | P |   |   | *K|   |   |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    3  | K |   |   |   |   |   |   | P |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    2  |   | R |   |   |   |   | P |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    1  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h

Black(1): sc
end-game phase
              clearing hash tables
note: scores are for the white side
material evaluation.................   1.00
development.........................   0.00
pawn evaluation.....................   0.12
passed pawn evaluation..............   0.24
passed pawn race evaluation.........   0.00
interactive piece evaluation........  -0.23
total evaluation....................   1.13



when I do a search, I never get "rxb2" as reasonable:

              depth   time  score   variation (1)
starting thread 1
starting thread 2
starting thread 3
                1     0.01  -2.92   1. ... Rxb2 2. Kxb2
                1     0.01     ++   1. ... Rc7!!
                1     0.01  -2.04   1. ... Rc7
                1->   0.02  -2.04   1. ... Rc7
                2     0.02  -2.39   1. ... Rc7 2. a5
                2     0.02  -2.31   1. ... Ra7 2. Kb4
                2->   0.03  -2.31   1. ... Ra7 2. Kb4
                3     0.03  -2.29   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb4+ Ke3 3. Kb3
                3->   0.04  -2.29   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb4+ Ke3 3. Kb3
                4     0.04  -2.29   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb4+ Ke3 3. Rb3+ Ke4
                                    4. Kb4
                4->   0.06  -2.29   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb4+ Ke3 3. Rb3+ Ke4
                                    4. Kb4
                5     0.08  -2.27   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb4+ Kc3 3. h4 h6 4.
                                    g4
                5->   0.10  -2.27   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb4+ Kc3 3. h4 h6 4.
                                    g4
                6     0.26  -2.34   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb8 Kc3 3. g4 h5 4. g5
                6->   0.30  -2.34   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb8 Kc3 3. g4 h5 4. g5
                7     0.41  -2.31   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb8 Kc3 3. g4 h5 4. gxh5
                                    gxh5 5. h4
                7->   0.48  -2.31   1. ... Ra7 2. Rb8 Kc3 3. g4 h5 4. gxh5
                                    gxh5 5. h4
                8     1.54  -2.31   1. ... Ra7 2. g3 Ra6 3. Rb4+ Ke3 4.
                                    Kb3 Kd3 5. Rb5 h6



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