Author: Charles Worthington
Date: 21:31:38 02/21/03
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On February 21, 2003 at 23:52:51, Charles Worthington wrote: >On Febronuary 21, 2003 at 23:48:41, Charles Worthington wrote: > >>On February 21, 2003 at 19:57:10, Aaron Gordon wrote: >> >>>On February 21, 2003 at 18:02:39, Charles Worthington wrote: >>> >>>>On February 21, 2003 at 17:37:35, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 08:04:18, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 08:02:34, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 07:14:47, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 07:05:22, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 06:47:11, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 04:46:53, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Bob what program is required for me to conduct benchmark tests with Crafty? >>>>>>>>>>>Could you please e-mail it or post a link here to it? Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Charles, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>You have it, the "crafty" program has a built in benchmark ....start crafty in >>>>>>>>>>dos mode (console) with no crafty.rc file ( a plain taxt file you create with >>>>>>>>>>engine parameters - but in this case - do not have a crafty.rc file in the same >>>>>>>>>>directory as crafty). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Type word "bench" at the command prompt. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Mike >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Thanks Mike. I haven't set the Crafty you sent me up yet so I didn't know. In >>>>>>>>>all honesty I have no Idea how to set it up to run on the Chessbase server. The >>>>>>>>>Crafty that comes with fritz is already set up so I have never had to set one up >>>>>>>>>yet. The other foreign progs are easy just drop in the eng and dll and you are >>>>>>>>>done. This does not look so easy. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>640 kNs.....Not good :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>on your new machine?? >>>>>> >>>>>>ok I see it in your title ...that is respectable for 1.2Ghz Celeron -- it's in >>>>>>the ballpark -- I think a dual 3 Ghz will get 3M nps.... >>>>> >>>>>Hyatts Dual xeon 2.8GHz only gets 2.1 million in the benchmark.. >>>>>If you scale it up to 3.06x2 + HT you'll only see about 2.3 million. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Crafty v19.4 (1 cpus) >>>>> >>>>>White(1): mt=4 >>>>>max threads set to 4 >>>>>White(1): bench >>>>>Running benchmark. . . >>>>>...... >>>>>Total nodes: 104415743 >>>>>Raw nodes per second: 2130933 >>>>>Total elapsed time: 49 >>>>>SMP time-to-ply measurement: 13.061224 >>>>>White(1): end >>>> >>>> >>>>Thats good to know aaron but i never said i would pull 3 million with crafty. I >>>>run fritz primarily. I may experiment some with crafty though. where are u >>>>getting a 3000kNs figure? >>> >>>Mike mentioned 3000kN/s. By the way, from what I've seen Crafty will get more >>>kN/s than Fritz will. Crafty has better support for HT, too. The only way you >>>will come close to 3 million is by using an AMD system. Those don't need HT and >>>are fast already. Crafty gets 1.3 million nodes/sec on a P4-3.06GHz with HT, >>>1.8x speedup and you've got just over 2.3 million nodes/sec, just as Hyatt has >>>shown us here with his 2.8's. Now, you don't get to use HT (well, it's not >>>useful yet) in Deep Fritz. Take my CPU for example. I get about 1.6 million >>>nodes/sec in crafty's benchmark. 1.6 million * 1.7 speedup = 2.72 million >>>nodes/sec. This will also be quick for Deep Fritz, too. If you want speed and >>>don't mind pushing your chips a little (only 10% overlock, not much at all) >>>you'll have the fastest box. >>> >>>Considering the motherboard will be $150 and each chip is less than $100 thats a >>>pretty good deal. ~$1000 for a system that gets 2.72 million nodes/sec without >>>any HT help OR $4000-5000 for a system that gets 2.31 million and has to support >>>HT. I don't know about you but the decision is pretty clear to me.. >> >> >> >>well actually aaron i just watched one of the guys from ccc here in playchess >>with a dual 2600mp and he was pulling 1995 kNs with deep fritz 7 and was >>overclocked to over 2800...I saved the game and the kNs posted by the >>server...and it was more than one game as he was getting demolished by a 2.2 ghz >>p4 single. Oh and BTW i dont need 3.06 to beat that...Bob's 2.8's will pull 2250 >>themselves. You guys can make all the wild claims here you like but the fritz >>server tells on you every time. The 3.06 dual will be here next week so If an >>amd system here can get a higher kNs i want to see it on the server where it >>counts but u had better do a whole bunch of overclocking and get those cpu's >>steaming. You would have to be dilusional to believe that AMD 2600MP is superior >>to a high end Intel Workstation. And I don't need a Degree in computer science >>to figure that one out. Just a little observation on the server will do. So if >>you can outpost the xeons dont tell me...come show me..then i will be the first >>to come back here and congratulate you... :-) Of course it wont happen so... > > >Oh and also i almost forgot There were others from here that witnessed it too >along with the speed he claimed to get here...the two wern't even close. Oh and i also believe that if AMD had the technology or the research funds to have invented hyperthreading technology...they would have. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that two threads are better than one for multiple applications. So i will keep the 2600 dollar pair of xeons if you don't mind. Besides i wasnt looking to save money i was looking for a good machine that didn't_have_to be overclocked to get 2500 kNs. Had I been searching for an economical system i would have chosen the AMD. But I would have lived with what I had and not tried to fry eggs on it. :-)) Not everyone here wants 100.00 cpu's. Thats why there are two markets...
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