Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 12:23:37 10/13/00
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On October 13, 2000 at 14:39:43, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>On October 13, 2000 at 12:58:54, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>So you must be very irritated by the number of Crafty clones as well, isn't it?
>
>Not irritated. Puzzled is a better word.
>
>>You compared Rebel-Tiger II and Winboard and suggested that RT2 does not offer
>>much more than Winboard.
>>
>>At first I thought your post was meant as a joke.
>>
>>After thinking about it for a while, I have to admit that this is the first time
>>such a troll is tried on this forum.
>>
>>Well done, Mogens! :)
>
>Thanks, but think about it, especially considering the questions asked by the
>original poster. How many chess programs do you really need? And why select
>yours?
You are right. Just stick with Winboard.
>If you say new amazing engines (plural), I give up :o)).
>
>>So what are you doing on this forum?
>
>Arguing with you and your minions at the moment :o).
Given the way you are using your time, I understand why you don't need more than
Winboard.
>>If you are not interested to what new hot programs have to offer, and if you
>>really think that Winboard+GnuChess or Winboard+Crafty is a good choice for you,
>>I guess that the content of this forum must be of very little interest to you?
>
>Have you been reading the charter recently? Where does it say that only
>commercial programs are of use to the average person interested in computer
>chess? Commercial programs aren't everything. Are you forgetting your roots,
>Christophe? Amazing what a little money can do.
I try to make a living by creating chess engines that people will appreciate.
It's not easy. I always have to give the best I can. If I don't, people will not
buy my programs anymore and I will have to find another job.
My roots, it's the passion I have for chess programming. Being able to make a
living from it is the way I have found to spend all my time on my passion.
Believe me, I could make more money with another job. But as you have noticed I
don't forget my roots and I try hard to be able to spend as much time as I can
on my chess programs.
I'm sorry to tell, but I have a rent to pay, and I must eat every day. Amongst
other expenses...
So I'm really sorry, but I have to ask people to pay for my chess program. In
return, they get a state of the art program which is stronger than any free
program they can get.
Is it unfair?
>I think it's fair to emphasise that there's no harm in ignoring the new hot
>overpriced program, whether it be Shredder 5 or Rebel Tiger.
You don't even know the price of the product. How can you tell it is overpriced?
With Rebel-Tiger II you get 4 very strong chess engines. And you can also use
any Winboard program you like.
Can you give me an example of a better bargain?
Oh yes, a second-hand copy of ChessMaster 2100 is certainly cheaper. And
probably enough to beat you anyway. So why spend more?
> Actually, I find it
>a little distasteful that you send out your beta minions to recommend your
>program to an user, which obviously doesn't need it.
Obviously you don't need it, but it looks like you also need to convince other
people here that they don't need it.
I have not asked people to tell good things about Rebel-Tiger. You are simply
insulting them by saying this.
The beta testers are free to tell what they want about the product. There are
people out there really interested in computer chess, much more than you
obviously, who would like to know what's going on with the upcoming programs.
Other companies do not want to take any risk and want their beta testers to keep
their results secret.
We have chosen another communication policy. We have allowed the beta testers to
post results, without knowing ourselves if the results would be good or not.
If you don't need any new chess program, then you could simply ignore the post
about newer versions.
>>What OS are you using? Windows 3.1? By your standards I guess that Windows 95,
>>98 or ME offer very little over Windows 3.1?
>
>Never tried Windows 3.1, so I really can't say.
You should definitely try it. It's good enough to run Winboard, and it's cheaper
than Windows 9x.
>>How do you know the ChessBase GUI is the most flexible?
>
>Personal experience.
So now you are a ChessBase minion?
>>Have you tried the new Rebel-Tiger II GUI?
>
>No, I'm not a beta tester.
>
>>What are your points of comparison?
>
>The answers to the questions I've asked. But if the answers I've received so far
>is inaccurate, please mention the qualities inherent to the CP GUI.
>
>>I think many people think that they would really LOVE to be able to use the
>>Fritz engine inside the Rebel-Tiger GUI.
>>
>>As soon as ChessBase offers the Fritz engine as a Winboard engine, we will
>>provide the Chess Tiger engine as a Winboard engine.
>
>Fair enough, but why always assume second place automatically.
:)
I don't assume second place, as I know they will NEVER release the Fritz engine
as a Winboard engine.
>>This question has been answered by several people (at least 3 people: Harald,
>>Uri and Peter).
>
>Not really, considering the actual subject of this thread.
>
>>I urge you to explain what a user of the Rebel-Tiger II product is missing that
>>would justify spending the extra money to get the CB product?
>
>Okay, send me a copy and I'll tell you ;o).
I fear you'll have to buy the product.
Unless you are reluctant to give a little of your money for quality software.
Christophe
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