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Subject: Re: NEWS: The match Kramnik-Computer more and more near

Author: Thomas Lagershausen

Date: 05:07:59 04/08/01

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>>>Here is my guess for the evidence.
>>>
>>>Gambit1 is probably not better than Deep Fritz on one processor based on Enrique
>>>results.
>>
>>Enrique played 40/40 games.The programs have their own evidence on different
>>timecontrols.One example.DeepFritz is on 5min/game 150 Elo Points stronger than
>>DeepShredder, on timecontrol 40/120 DeepShredder is 50-70 Elo points stronger
>>than DeepFritz.Can you explain that?
>
>I do not believe it.
>I believe that Deep Fritz is better than Deep Shredder in all time controls.
>
>Deep Fritz is winning Shredder5 at 2 hours per move.
>see http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?162151

Uri you are a computerchessexpert.But to come with only one game is not a strong
argument.Is phalanx stronger than Fritz because he can win some games against
Fritz? Why is Shredder winning every official tournament(40/120)and DeepFritz
placed behind Shredder? I would say DeepFritz is the best speedchess progam of
the world but on tournamenttimecontrols it´s only number three.
>
>>
>>>Gambit2 is not more than 70 elo better than Gambit1 based on the claims on Rebel
>>>sites(I assume at most 50 elo from improving the engine and at most 20 elo from
>>>tablebases).
>>>
>>>It means that Gambit on the same hardware is at most 70 elo better than Deep
>>>Fritz.
>>
>>On tournament timecontrol i would say 100 Elo.See my argumentation before.
>
>I disagree and I believe that christophe also does not believe it.Mmmm, i would say playing against humans i think Christophe had a onother opinion.And on the long way he is right.Against humans you can´t make position blunders.
>
>>>
>>>I guess that 8*700 is at least 4000 in computer chess and it is more than 3
>>>times faster than Gambit on P1333
>>>
>>>being 3 times faster is supposed to give more than 70 elo so it means that Deep
>>>fritz in 8 processors is better than Gambit on one processor.
>>
>>You agree with me that Gambit Tiger 2.0 plays moves in almost every game that
>>DeepFritz didn´t find in 100 hours computing.So where is your logic?
>
>I believe that part of these moves are bad moves.
>I also think that Deep Fritz can find moves that Gamnittiger will not play even
>in 100 hours.
Shure a part will be worser but Gambit Tiger has not this normal weaknesses of
computerprograms that other programes have.He plays no stupid waitingmoves.He is
every time looking for a plan, he is able to play a real kingsattack and
something more.The days of a higher level of chess are rising for the programs.
>
>I guess that Gambittiger2 is better than Deep Fritz but I do not guess that the
>difference is getting bigger when the time control is slower.

Kramnik couldn´t find a weak point in his play, that´s the point.

>
>Regards,
>Uri

Best
Thomas



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