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Subject: Re: linux issues

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 12:58:34 05/25/02

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On May 24, 2002 at 18:32:46, Allen Lake wrote:

>On May 24, 2002 at 14:51:27, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>I don't take it personal, but that's typical of the people who are using Linux.
>
>A somewhat broad generalization, I'd say.  Maybe you've been associating with
>the wrong crowd of Linux users.
>
>>That's what is going to take me out of Linux for a while. The attitude of the
>>people using/developping it.
>
>I think that's an unfortunate decision, but it is, ultimately, _your_ decision
>to make.


It is the second time I take some time to evaluate where Linux is.

Last time was 3 years ago.

I really want to get rid of Windows. In case you missed it, I do not like
Microsoft.




>>Just mention a problem and they are going to bury themselves even deeper. Or
>>offer inappropriate solutions (use regular expressions).
>
>Someone who was a bit less doctrinaire about "regular expressions" might have
>offered you advice along the lines of "ls | grep -i wccc" to solve your problem.
>They might have even pointed you to the "alias" command for the bash shell,
>(section 5 of http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/0822.bashtips.html  --
>the first link I found by searching for "alias bash linux" on www.google.com),so
>that you could create your own easily remembered shell commands to replace the
>complicated Linux command syntax (add the following line to your .bash_profile
>file  alias findmyfile='ls | grep -i '  ), so that you could use your own
>command to find your files ( "findmyfile wccc" ).


Either you are joking or you really missed my point.

What you are doing above is what I call "burying yourself even deeper".




>>You can do the same experience with the guys at Microsoft and see the
>>difference: they will reconsider if they realize many people agree that there is
>>a problem.
>
>In my experience, a hit-or-miss proposition.  I still wonder why, 7 years later,
>I still need to press a button labeled "Start" to begin the procedure of
>shutting down my Windows machine.


As I said, I really do not like Microsoft.

But this kind of critisism can only do one thing: make yourself look like a
fool.

There are plenty of points where Windows sucks. Mention them instead. Get real.





>  I still wonder why I have to put ".exe" on
>the end of my program file name before Windows will recognize it as an
>executable file.


That's user friendly.

When you see a file name, you know of what type it is.

Or maybe you think that adding ".txt" behind a file name to indicate that it is
a text is stupid?

Actually now that you mention it, that is one thing that I did not like about
Linux/Unix: the fact that you cannot tell by the name of a file if it is
executable or not.

Or maybe I have been spoiled by years of DOS/Windows usage?

But frankly, I don't care much about this one.





>>They have done that many times and corrected mistake after mistake. The result
>>is that now they are controlling the world of information.
>
>A subset of the world of information, though a highly visible subset of the
>world of information.  I wonder how many banks, insurance companies, brokerage
>houses, etc. (all _very_ large purveyors of information) trust their
>"mission-critical" applications to Windows.  Lack of public visibility doesn't
>mean lack of importance.


Typical.

While I do not deny that Linux has apparently got a good acceptance in the
server market, you don't see the problem of wide public visibility of Windows?

Tell me, what's going to happen when the next generation of computer users, who
have been using Windows at home since their childhood, are going to hit the
market?

Do you think the first thing they will do is to advice to replace Windows
computers by Linux computers?




>>Now my wish is that the Linux guys do exactly the same thing and kill the
>>Microsoft monopol.
>
>Time will tell on that score, although I'd attribute the Microsoft monopoly more
>to sharp and sometimes questionable business practices more than I would to
>their technical excellence or their quality of customer service.


You are right.

Actually I do not care how Linux will gain momentum. It's a war, and it should
achieve victory "by any means necessary".

I think the way to do it is to disguise Linux as a Windows clone.

But I know how much it is going to hurt Linux fanatics.




>>But if I was Microsoft I would not be as frightened by Linux as they are. When
>>they are going to understand what the attitude of the Linux guys is, they will
>>certainly laugh and relax.
>
>If Microsoft is frightened of Linux now, even with the "attitude of the Linux
>guys", why is that?  The "Linux guys" that you are talking about have been
>around at least for the seven years that I've been using Linux, so it's not a
>new phenomenon.  Paranoia?  Irrationality?  Misinformation?


Your way of seeing things just confirms my doubts, like every time I speak to a
Linux lover.

Tell me, what do you think of the idea to disguise Linux as a Windows clone?




>P.S. In reference to my comment above about the "Start" button, I know that I
>can also begin shutting my machine down by using Ctrl-Alt-Delete.  Just wanted
>to prevent the erupting flames from the knee-jerk Microsoft defenders, who I
>find equally as obnoxious as the "Linux guys".  Each operating system has its
>good points and its bad points.  I use four different operating systems every
>day in my work (two commercial Unix OS's, Linux, and Windows), so I get a lot of
>practice in finding the shortcuts on each one ;)


My point was not to destroy Linux, as I said many times.

I would adopt it even if it was technically inferior. But it needs to be as
useable as Windows. It is not.



    Christophe



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