Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 15:02:56 06/16/98
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On June 16, 1998 at 16:51:19, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >On June 15, 1998 at 18:56:12, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >> Fritz 5 Crafty 14.12 Diep Hiarcs 6 >>1- -0.50 -0.53 -1.00 >>2- -0.16 -0.20 -0.84 >>3- +0.06 -0.20 -1.01 >>4- 0.00 -0.16 -0.24 >>5- -1.25 -1.13 -1.16 -1.46 >>6- -1.06 -1.87 -1.24 -1.48 >>8- -0.56 -0.45 -0.58 >>11- -0.63 -0.88 -0.78 >>12- -0.13 -0.59 -0.44 > >Thanks for your evaluations. >Please play some games with this lines too and >post the results together with evaluation which will quickly drop. > >Rebel with black please too. Too time consuming for me. Please, help yourself. >>Lines 6, 7, 9 and 10 are identical, and so are lines 5 and 13. >> >>Lines 5 and 6 are the most favorable to Rebel and the only ones that could be >>suspected. Line 5 was played in a game Karklins-Leverett in the Chicago US Open >>of 1989. This game ended in a draw. Line 6 was played in the game Hazai-Moehring >>of Halle2 1981 and it also ended in a draw. No special computer killer lines >>here, although no one would be very happy playing black's side. >> >>Nothing strange about the other lines. Black is slightly down when it leaves >>book, but this is not uncommon playing black. >> >>What happened in the games Fritz 5 - Rebel 9 played by the SSDF has nothing to >>do with cooked lines. Rebel was unable to save its games and therefore to >>"learn", and it fell over and over on the same (not cooked) lines. > >That's a brilliant implementation of Fritz5 team. Prevent the opponent from >learning. Not true. The first version of Fritz’s autoplayer didn’t allow some of the opponents to save their games. As a consequence, Rebel, and only Rebel, could not learn. Now, go figure if this is the fault of that autoplayer or if it is rather a design flaw of Rebel’s learner. For sure Rebel 10 will implement its learner differently, and the current autoplaying Fritz 5 lets the opponents save their games. In any case, this issue has nothing to do with Fritz having cooked lines, as you posted originally. >When we play a game together Enrique i first kick you very hard at the >brain, then you're like you were when you were a baby, a baby which >did not learn much (when surgeons operate your brain and remove >some stuff from it, you lose memories and need to learn again a lot). > >Would such a surgical operation give us a fair match? > >Doesn't a program have the right to learn from previous games? All this is not real. See above. >This says something about SSDF preparing i guess! What makes you guess this? Your points so far: 1 - Rebel cooks in the SSDF games. Not true. 2 - Fritz cooks too. Not true. 3 - Fritz doesnt't allow the opponents to learn. Not true. 4 - All this is about preparing for the SSDF. Since 1), 2) and 3) are false, 4) is necessarily false too. Enrique >Certain try it by making a killerbook (my definition of a killerbook: >a book which has been made in order to win against certain opponents >and adjusted such that and then tested so that you KNOW for sure >that you are gonna win), others by brain surgery. > >Look how cool things have evolved in Sweden. Note that SSDF >themselve is not guilty. For some dollar reason it was needed to win >there for certain programs, and they have been taken care for it by investing >time so money into it. > >>Enrique > >Vincent
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