Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:58:54 01/31/03
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On January 31, 2003 at 18:45:11, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On January 31, 2003 at 18:40:15, Eduard Nemeth wrote: > >>On January 31, 2003 at 11:05:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 31, 2003 at 07:56:58, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>As a careful scientist I can present the following results. The details of my >>>>method must remain secret, but you are invited to read CTFfor example. >>>> >>>>The actual program against Kasparov for the first time in history played for all >>>>the psyche of a concrete human opponent. We know that Kasparov believes in >>>>magic. Numbers are very important for him as symbols for something coming from a >>>>hidden world. So in consequence Kasparov believes in the super-natural of chess. >>>>Now what DEEP JUNIOR has done in game three is giving Kasparov the perception of >>>>a position that is completely lost for the computer side. In front of a castled >>>>King Kasparov saw two Knights on f6 and h6. Not enough, he had an open g-file >>>>against such a configuration! And his own King could still castle to the Queen's >>>>side! Three officers were directed against Black's King-side. Queen and two >>>>Bishops! The black King might have felt like Israel in front of the Arab World. >>>> >>>>But did Kasparov EVER have such a winning position against a human opponent? Of >>>>course not because only patzers would play like that. And against patzers you >>>>don't need your best chess. Here is the secret of the actual design of the >>>>Israeli computer program. What would happen if Kasparov had to win such a won >>>>position against precise calculations on the border of the allowed and possible >>>>in chess? Is he prepared for such a challenge? Of course not! >>> >>> >>>You are making one assumption that may turn out to be faulty: "The position >>>was winning for white after g4 Nxg4". >>> >>>It looked dangerous for black. But "looks" don't win against a computer. >>>Against a human, black might well have "folded". Just as surely as Kasparov >>>folded near the end of the game. But a computer generally won't, and during the >>>game no computer ever thought white was up by as much as a whole pawn. So it >>>might just be a case of something looking dangerous but not really being >>>dangerous. >>> >>>Computers are known for their ability to handle such positions very well, and >>>the inherent problem in such positions is that quite often, there is a very >>>fine line to walk as the position is played by both sides. Anytime you put >>>a human in a position where he has _one_ good choice, and _lots_ of fair to >>>bad choices, for many moves, the probability of a single mistake goes way up, >>>and what we saw in game three happens. >>> >>>Ng6+ was a solid drawing move, but Kasparov either (a) missed it (which seems >>>unlikely) or (b) he thought the rook move gave him winning chances, without >>>enough time to really analyze carefully. Whichever reason really doesn't >>>matter that much. If you are the world's best "minesweeper" you still take >>>a chance every time you walk on to a minefield... >> >>I believe that Gary not draw to play wanted and therefore Rh5 played. The cause >>lies in my opinion into game 2. There Gary has one win line missed and thus >>wanted it into game 3 to _absolutely_ win! > >:) > >Yes, Eduard, aber Bob versteht ja gar nicht, daß Garry in Nummer 2 gewinnen >konnte. Er glaubt, daß Garry echt Glück gehabt hat gegen DJ noch diesen Remisweg >gefunden zu haben... <grins> > >Yes Eduard, but Bob only sees that Garry could draw in Game Two, but not win. >Bob thinks that Garry was lucky in finding a way out in Game Two when DJ was >almost winning. <g> > >Rolf Tueschen > > I don't believe I ever said "he was lucky in game 2". He made an incredibly deep sacrifice offer that I'd bet he was sure the computer would take, and it led to a position that gave black lots of chances. But white made no mistakes and the chances were all "vaporous" and the draw ensued. >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>So this is the answer how David could still beat Goliath. Big super powers have >>>>to control a huge traffic of their own while little David must only concentrate >>>>on the strategically weakest spaces and entities of the enemy. Perhaps we have >>>>seen the birth of a new chess pattern. After the famous Nf8 position that often >>>>can defend the whole Kingside for Black we have now the Nh6 position. This is >>>>chess of the third thousand. It is worth more than three times Las Vegas. >>>> >>>>Rolf Tueschen
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