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Subject: Re: Why ban List now?

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 18:30:26 11/27/03

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On November 27, 2003 at 21:28:06, Roger D Davis wrote:

>On November 27, 2003 at 21:26:24, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 2003 at 21:06:24, Roger D Davis wrote:
>>
>>>On November 27, 2003 at 20:27:34, Richard Sutherland wrote:
>>>
>>>>The one thing I cant understand through all this, is why ban List now? Whether
>>>>or not List is derived from Crafty, has obviously not been conclusively
>>>>determined. With the programmer writing a maths exam, he probably doesn't have
>>>>time to fully address the issue right at this time, so let his program complete
>>>>the tournament and then make a determination of the facts. Yes, DQ'ing him after
>>>>the event is over, might change the end result, but the end result would at
>>>>least be fair to all involved. If it now transpires that List is completely
>>>>crafty free, the List programmer has been royally screwed over!!!
>>>
>>>In fact, the committee may have been obligated by their own charter to do
>>>exactly this. The letter at Chessbase states explicitly that:
>>>
>>>“Each program must be the original work of the entering developers. Programming
>>>teams whose code is derived from or including game-playing code written by
>>>others must name all other authors, or the source of such code, in their
>>>application details. Programs which are discovered to be close derivatives of
>>>others (e.g., by playing nearly all moves the same), may be declared invalid by
>>>the Tournament Director after seeking expert advice. For this purpose a listing
>>>of all game-related code running on the system must be available on demand to
>>>the Tournament Director.”
>>>
>>>Note that the charter states that banning could take place only
>>>
>>>1) after a process of discovery, and
>>>2) after seeking expert advice
>>>
>>>Where is the process of discovery and where is the expert advice? AT THE LEAST,
>>>the expert advice should have consisted of asking the accuser to provide
>>>something more than circumstantial evidence, after which the strength of the
>>>evidence could have been evaluated objectively and a decision made whether to
>>>request the source, or not, AND THEN experts would have been consulted.
>>>
>>>Instead, it appears that the committee violated it's own charter and banned the
>>>author based on evidence that the committee itself admits is circumstantial,
>>>without consulting any experts other than the accuser.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>
>>
>>Read the letter, they are _not_ in violation of their own charter, that's
>>nonsense.
>>Why don't you write them if you're so concerned?
>>It's easy to talk through your hat.
>
>You present no argumentation, simply an assertion of your position. How about
>some argumentation supporting your position? Then I can get the benefit of your
>viewpoint on this issue.
>
>Roger

There is no arguement, the rules are clear, look them up!!



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