Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 16:40:35 12/14/03
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On December 14, 2003 at 19:25:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 17:42:21, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On December 14, 2003 at 17:36:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2003 at 17:05:18, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On December 14, 2003 at 16:52:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>>>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when >>>>>>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future. >>>>>>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I >>>>>>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is >>>>>>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating >>>>>>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants >>>>>>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong >>>>>>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase >>>>>>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase >>>>>>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder, >>>>>>>>>Junior and Fritz. >>>>>>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many >>>>>>>>will participate in CCT? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a >>>>>>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT >>>>>>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to >>>>>>>>Maradona :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free >>>>>>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with >>>>>>>>>>the world champion title. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your >>>>>>>>>little shootout? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have >>>>>>>>shown up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>That statement is so far beyond stupid... it really doesn't deserve a >>>>>>>response. Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron >>>>>>>Crafty on for size in a game or two. Then come back and make that statement. >>>>>>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover. >>>>>> >>>>>>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what? >>>>> >>>>>So if you think I have no chance of winning, hop over to ICC and show me >>>>>how inferior I am on hardware that would be 1/4 the speed (or less) of >>>>>what I would have shown up with had I made the WCCC. >>>>> >>>>>_that_ is "what". >>>>> >>>>>Did _you_ think that you had a good chance of winning? Did you go? What >>>>>was the reason? >>>> >>>>Yes, I thought I had reasonable chances of winning. It turned out that I had >>>>heavily underestimated the importance of hardware (you can't beat any strong >>>>engine running at 7M nps, when you are at 400k nps), but that is another story. >>>> >>> >>>OK, then why would _I_ have chosen to not come, because I had no chance of >>>winning, when I could do 9M on the machine I am using today, and would probably >>>have been able to find a machine at _least_ 4x faster??? >>> >>>That is my point. Your basic assumption is stupid and wrong. I played in the >>>1989 WCCC event knowing I had practically no chance of beating deep thought >>>with 16 processors. But I _was_ there. >> >> >>Show me where I said "you will come to WCCC only if you think you have a chance >>to win"? What I said was "if you think you have a chance to win you will come to >>WCCC". You surely know enough about logics to know that >> >> A -> B >> >>does not necessarily mean >> >> B -> A >> >>:) > >Yes I do. However, your implication was quite clear... > > Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would > have shown up. > >Turn it around: > > they would have shown up had they thought they had any chance to win the > championship. > >certainly directly implies > > They didn't think they had any chance to win so they didn't show up. Correct. > >Word games don't cut it here. > >Your statement _was_ out of line. > >Simple semantic tricks don't get you out of that so easily.
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