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Subject: Re: Technical question regarding interface for CCT

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:16:48 12/14/03

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On December 14, 2003 at 19:40:35, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On December 14, 2003 at 19:25:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 14, 2003 at 17:42:21, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>
>>>On December 14, 2003 at 17:36:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 17:05:18, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 16:52:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when
>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating
>>>>>>>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants
>>>>>>>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase
>>>>>>>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase
>>>>>>>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder,
>>>>>>>>>>Junior and Fritz.
>>>>>>>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many
>>>>>>>>>will participate in CCT?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a
>>>>>>>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT
>>>>>>>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to
>>>>>>>>>Maradona :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free
>>>>>>>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with
>>>>>>>>>>>the world champion title.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your
>>>>>>>>>>little shootout?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have
>>>>>>>>>shown up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That statement is so far beyond stupid...  it really doesn't deserve a
>>>>>>>>response.  Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron
>>>>>>>>Crafty on for size in a game or two.  Then come back and make that statement.
>>>>>>>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So if you think I have no chance of winning, hop over to ICC and show me
>>>>>>how inferior I am on hardware that would be 1/4 the speed (or less) of
>>>>>>what I would have shown up with had I made the WCCC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_that_ is "what".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did _you_ think that you had a good chance of winning?  Did you go?  What
>>>>>>was the reason?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, I thought I had reasonable chances of winning. It turned out that I had
>>>>>heavily underestimated the importance of hardware (you can't beat any strong
>>>>>engine running at 7M nps, when you are at 400k nps), but that is another story.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OK, then why would _I_ have chosen to not come, because I had no chance of
>>>>winning, when I could do 9M on the machine I am using today, and would probably
>>>>have been able to find a machine at _least_ 4x faster???
>>>>
>>>>That is my point.  Your basic assumption is stupid and wrong.  I played in the
>>>>1989 WCCC event knowing I had practically no chance of beating deep thought
>>>>with 16 processors.  But I _was_ there.
>>>
>>>
>>>Show me where I said "you will come to WCCC only if you think you have a chance
>>>to win"? What I said was "if you think you have a chance to win you will come to
>>>WCCC". You surely know enough about logics to know that
>>>
>>>    A -> B
>>>
>>>does not necessarily mean
>>>
>>>    B -> A
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>Yes I do.  However, your implication was quite clear...
>>
>>    Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would
>>    have shown up.
>>
>>Turn it around:
>>
>>    they would have shown up had they thought they had any chance to win the
>>    championship.
>>
>>certainly directly implies
>>
>>    They didn't think they had any chance to win so they didn't show up.
>
>Correct.
>

OK.  Back to my original point.  "your statement is stupid."

I _certainly_ would have had a chance to win.  And not that bad a chance,
based on results I have been seeing with this quad opteron.

So believe what you want.  But don't try to read my mind.  You simply
aren't up to the task...

I've explained why I didn't go.  The explanation _still_ stands.

And I don't see why you started the ramble about mis-interpreting your
statement, when I clearly did not, and you could see that it was not
mis-interpreted either...


>
>
>>
>>Word games don't cut it here.
>>
>>Your statement _was_ out of line.
>>
>>Simple semantic tricks don't get you out of that so easily.



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