Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:16:48 12/14/03
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On December 14, 2003 at 19:40:35, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 19:25:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 14, 2003 at 17:42:21, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2003 at 17:36:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On December 14, 2003 at 17:05:18, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 16:52:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>>>>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when >>>>>>>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future. >>>>>>>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I >>>>>>>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is >>>>>>>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating >>>>>>>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants >>>>>>>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong >>>>>>>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase >>>>>>>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase >>>>>>>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder, >>>>>>>>>>Junior and Fritz. >>>>>>>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many >>>>>>>>>will participate in CCT? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a >>>>>>>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT >>>>>>>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to >>>>>>>>>Maradona :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free >>>>>>>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with >>>>>>>>>>>the world champion title. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your >>>>>>>>>>little shootout? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have >>>>>>>>>shown up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>That statement is so far beyond stupid... it really doesn't deserve a >>>>>>>>response. Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron >>>>>>>>Crafty on for size in a game or two. Then come back and make that statement. >>>>>>>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what? >>>>>> >>>>>>So if you think I have no chance of winning, hop over to ICC and show me >>>>>>how inferior I am on hardware that would be 1/4 the speed (or less) of >>>>>>what I would have shown up with had I made the WCCC. >>>>>> >>>>>>_that_ is "what". >>>>>> >>>>>>Did _you_ think that you had a good chance of winning? Did you go? What >>>>>>was the reason? >>>>> >>>>>Yes, I thought I had reasonable chances of winning. It turned out that I had >>>>>heavily underestimated the importance of hardware (you can't beat any strong >>>>>engine running at 7M nps, when you are at 400k nps), but that is another story. >>>>> >>>> >>>>OK, then why would _I_ have chosen to not come, because I had no chance of >>>>winning, when I could do 9M on the machine I am using today, and would probably >>>>have been able to find a machine at _least_ 4x faster??? >>>> >>>>That is my point. Your basic assumption is stupid and wrong. I played in the >>>>1989 WCCC event knowing I had practically no chance of beating deep thought >>>>with 16 processors. But I _was_ there. >>> >>> >>>Show me where I said "you will come to WCCC only if you think you have a chance >>>to win"? What I said was "if you think you have a chance to win you will come to >>>WCCC". You surely know enough about logics to know that >>> >>> A -> B >>> >>>does not necessarily mean >>> >>> B -> A >>> >>>:) >> >>Yes I do. However, your implication was quite clear... >> >> Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would >> have shown up. >> >>Turn it around: >> >> they would have shown up had they thought they had any chance to win the >> championship. >> >>certainly directly implies >> >> They didn't think they had any chance to win so they didn't show up. > >Correct. > OK. Back to my original point. "your statement is stupid." I _certainly_ would have had a chance to win. And not that bad a chance, based on results I have been seeing with this quad opteron. So believe what you want. But don't try to read my mind. You simply aren't up to the task... I've explained why I didn't go. The explanation _still_ stands. And I don't see why you started the ramble about mis-interpreting your statement, when I clearly did not, and you could see that it was not mis-interpreted either... > > >> >>Word games don't cut it here. >> >>Your statement _was_ out of line. >> >>Simple semantic tricks don't get you out of that so easily.
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