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Subject: Re: Fritz is a GM

Author: blass uri

Date: 20:40:30 07/13/98

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On July 13, 1998 at 22:50:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 13, 1998 at 22:03:09, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>
>>h
>>On July 13, 1998 at 18:03:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>And giving them more tournaments to find these openings is suicidal.  So
>>>the key questions to me are:  (1) is Fritz the best commercial program?
>>>answer seems to be yes, if you are talking about playing computer vs
>>>computer matches.  It's proven that on the SSDF it seems.  (2) Is fritz or
>>>any other program a GM?  not even close yet.  Good chess players find and
>>>exploit holes in every program running.  I think that many programs might
>>>fit right in the middle of the IM class, although they will not be nearly
>>>as consistent as IM players, because they will beat an IM on tactics, then
>>>get crushed in an elementary ending.  A PC GM is a ways away, IMHO, still.
>>>
>>>Getting closer, but not here.  *yet*.  But given enough time...
>>
>>So does this mean you do or don't believe Deep Blue of the 1997
>>match with Kasparov was a GM or just a strong IM with "surprise"
>>value of varying co-efficients in its evaluation function and Kasparov's
>>bad luck to follow bad advice.
>>
>>Deep Blue a true GM or ?
>
>
>DB's a true GM, because DT was a true GM as well.  DB played like a 2800
>GM to beat Kasparov.  In reality, it probably is not that good.  But I'd bet
>it would "settle in" at way over 2600, maybe over 2700, after playing a bunch
>of games...

I do not think DT was a true GM
do you think DT is better than the top microcomputers?
I think the positional understanding of microcomputers is now better
than the positional understanding of deep thought.
deepthought had good result and did a GM norm only because humans did
not know how to play against computers like they do now.
it had a good result in the nolot test but there are other positions
it fail in seeing tactics for example Deep thought lost its queen in the match
against kasparov very fast.
I believe DB is a GM but it was not tested so we do not know

>
>But it has nothing to do with micros...



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