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Subject: Re: Fritz is a GM

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:52:16 07/14/98

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On July 13, 1998 at 23:40:30, blass uri wrote:

>
>On July 13, 1998 at 22:50:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 1998 at 22:03:09, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>
>>>h
>>>On July 13, 1998 at 18:03:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>And giving them more tournaments to find these openings is suicidal.  So
>>>>the key questions to me are:  (1) is Fritz the best commercial program?
>>>>answer seems to be yes, if you are talking about playing computer vs
>>>>computer matches.  It's proven that on the SSDF it seems.  (2) Is fritz or
>>>>any other program a GM?  not even close yet.  Good chess players find and
>>>>exploit holes in every program running.  I think that many programs might
>>>>fit right in the middle of the IM class, although they will not be nearly
>>>>as consistent as IM players, because they will beat an IM on tactics, then
>>>>get crushed in an elementary ending.  A PC GM is a ways away, IMHO, still.
>>>>
>>>>Getting closer, but not here.  *yet*.  But given enough time...
>>>
>>>So does this mean you do or don't believe Deep Blue of the 1997
>>>match with Kasparov was a GM or just a strong IM with "surprise"
>>>value of varying co-efficients in its evaluation function and Kasparov's
>>>bad luck to follow bad advice.
>>>
>>>Deep Blue a true GM or ?
>>
>>
>>DB's a true GM, because DT was a true GM as well.  DB played like a 2800
>>GM to beat Kasparov.  In reality, it probably is not that good.  But I'd bet
>>it would "settle in" at way over 2600, maybe over 2700, after playing a bunch
>>of games...
>
>I do not think DT was a true GM
>do you think DT is better than the top microcomputers?

not just better but significantly better.  It was a true GM based on the
Fredkin requirement that it play 24 games and that it's performance over
24 straight games remain over 2500.  It met that some time back.

>I think the positional understanding of microcomputers is now better
>than the positional understanding of deep thought.
>deepthought had good result and did a GM norm only because humans did
>not know how to play against computers like they do now.


this may be true, perhaps, although I give more credit to GM players than
you do perhaps... because as they were challenging it, they were also
comparing notes.  They rarely go into a game in a total vacuum, unless
there is simply no prior information available.


>it had a good result in the nolot test but there are other positions
>it fail in seeing tactics for example Deep thought lost its queen in the match
>against kasparov very fast.
>I believe DB is a GM but it was not tested so we do not know
>
>>
>>But it has nothing to do with micros...



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