Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:29:11 07/08/01
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On July 08, 2001 at 06:06:17, odell hall wrote: >On July 08, 2001 at 00:13:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 07, 2001 at 23:21:52, odell hall wrote: >> >>>> >>> I really don't understand what your saying, since even on icc computers are >>>performing like supergrandmasters. >> >> >>I'm sure you don't. But when you have time, point out a single "super GM" >>that loses to a 2000 player. The computers are good, no doubt. But they >>are not _that_ good yet... > > > I am curious Dr. Hyatt, you did accept deep thought as a ligitamate Grandmaster >correct? If this is true, how many games did Deep Thought play before you >believed it's GM Status? Why do you Accept Deep Thought as GM and not Micro >Computers? Is it because of your personal connection with HZU? Assuming of >course that you do accept Deep Thought as GM, I think i have heard you in the >past say this, although i could be wrong. I do mean Deep Thought and not Deep >Blue. No I didn't. Deep Thought never did the things necessary to actually 'earn' the GM title. It played like a GM if you look at its rating over a set of games. But it had horrible positional weaknesses. IM Mike Valvo totally crushed it in a 2 game match played on r.g.c when DT was active. DB was better. DB2 was even better and DB/DB2 had fewer obvious "holes" in the evaluation than DT did. Deep Thought played at a GM level to win the second-stage Fredkin prize. But the only requirement the Fredkin committee had to deal with was a rating of 2550 or higher, over 24 consecutive games. That doesn't even produce a GM norm of course. So depending on how you phrase your question, I could answer yes or no about the micro/GM isue. 1. Is the computer a GM? No. Not enough knowledge yet, by a _long_ way. A human GM knows so much more about the game. There are positions a GM can understand, while the computer is helpless. 2. Does the computer play like a GM? yes. Because over a 40 move game, a human GM is likely to make a simple mistake, while the computer is not as likely. Of course, the machine will make mistakes, and the human may well spot them and end the game quickly. I expect this from Kramnik, but we will see. 3. Could the computer earn the GM title from FIDE if given the chance? Most likely. If you enter it in enough tournaments, I believe it would be capable of earning the required norms. Unless enough computers are entered so that the humans begin to study them carefully and adjust their playing styles accordingly.
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