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Subject: Re: WCCC and some NPS observations

Author: blass uri

Date: 09:38:33 06/23/99

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On June 23, 1999 at 11:19:23, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On June 23, 1999 at 09:56:54, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>Fritz finished in 3rd place.  This was a highly competitive field, and 3rd place
>>is IMO an excellent result.
>
>when  you start with 4 programs, ONE program has to be in a good place.

Fritz did not start with 4 programs.

They started with only one program.
It used 4 processors but it is not 4 programs.
other programs also used more than one processor and most of them did not do
good result.

Diep also used 4 processors and it did not help it.
Zugzwang and P.conners had better hardware and it did not help them.

You also said that using 4 proccesors can also make fritz see draws faster
but I did not see draws for fritz only wins and losses.

>just randomnly, isn't it. if they would have started with 10 programs,
>the chances would have been even higher. but this has nothing to do with
>chess, or ?
>its just trying to make the best out of a mess.
>
>
>>I didn't see CSTal there.  Excuses about a $500 entry fee notwithstanding, I can
>
>Right. Chris sees no reason to finance the icca although they like to ban him
>and me.
>
>
>
>>only presume that if it had been there, it would have been crushed by programs
>>like Fritz.
>
>really ? my autoplayer says different. i have no such problems on my 400 Mhz
>machines.
>How do you know ? Also cstal is transformed into new-code , so chris and his
>programmers have to program it completely new from the scratch, all the
>code has to been transformed into bit-board code.
>we cannot participate with a program that is not THERE. cstal is not existing.
>it is not yet completely transformed in the new code.
>If you know better about CSTal than me and Chris, you seem to know better
>than the developers. :-)))
>I see that is does not stop you from spreading wrong and nasty rumors.
>Whatever your intention is, you are wrong.
>
>
>>Of course, we all know how intelligent that would have made CSTal
>>look.
>
>there is no way to let fritz look more intelligent than cstal. no way.

It is not clear to me if CStal is more intelligent
In the game that you posted here of Cstal against Fritz the draw scores of Fritz
were more correct than the unrealistic scores of Cstal.

The final position is a draw by tablebases.

Fritz showed in this position -8.xx score against itself but it is only because
of the fact that Fritz does not use tablebases.

Uri



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