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Subject: Still Missing the Point

Author: Adrien Regimbald

Date: 15:14:46 05/16/00


Hello,

About the Tiviakov (I don't know if I will ever spell this name right.. :P)
incident -

A lot of you are still demonstrating a lack of understanding of the rules of
chess.  It seems that lots of you are basing your standards for chess games on
what happens on FICS/ICC.

On FICS/ICC, you can flag someone in a completely dead lost position and there
is nothing your opponent can do about it, and you can flag in a completely drawn
position too.

This is not the case in OTB games!  (The only reason why things are like this on
FICS/ICC is that it is completely impractical to try to enforce the rules as
they are OTB, since there are no TDs and/or arbiters around to resolve such
incidents)

Some of you seem to think that the operator was doing Tiviakov a favour by
offering a draw with 2 minutes left.  This is completely untrue.  Tiviakov at
any time could have stopped the clock, called over the TD and claimed a draw.
Also - if Tiviakov thought he couldn't have won the game considering the
situation on the clock, he would have offered the draw himself - he clearly
thought he still had chances to win the game!

A few other people seem to think that offering the draw at 2 minutes was
inappropriate and that the operator would be doing Tiviakov a favour by offering
a draw with say only a few seconds left to go.  This is also untrue.  With 1
second to go, Tiviakov can stop the clock and call over a TD, once again claimin
g a draw.

Now, the last group is a bit less clear-cut: some of you think the operator
should have waited until (and if) Tiviakov made a blunder to offer the draw.
Even then - Tiviakov could have called over the TD!  There are two possibilities
here (I am talking in general terms, not just this particular game): if the
player has made a huge blunder and is obviously losing now and not winning
anymore, he can claim his opponent was trying to win on the flag.  This is a bit
of a dubious claim, but such claims do get issued and I'd say maybe 30% of the
time this will work.  The other possibility (which I think is more of what
happened in the game) is a smaller blunder which throws away the win.  The
player can claim a draw here .. and would be successful probably about 70% of
the time - the other 30% of the time, the TD might choose to see if the other
player is actually trying to make progress or not - if it proves clear that the
other player is trying to simply win by flagging their opponent, the TD will
award the draw.


Incidentally, it used to be that such sudden death time situations simply didn't
exist (and it's not even very long ago).  I've been playing chess in organized
tournaments for about 6 or 7 years, and I can remember the first couple years I
played in, almost every tournament had continuous time controls - 40/120
followed by 30/90 to be followed by as many 30/60's as were needed for the game
to finish, and if there was only one or two games left going on really long,
they would be adjourned to allow the next round to progress.

The movement to sudden death time controls seems to be a result of our fast
paced society that doesn't have any patience at all.  Many players (especially
the stronger ones) grumble constantly about sudden death time controls.  I don't
think that getting involved in heated incidents with the players over sudden
death time control issues is going to help in terms of computers being allowed
to play in GM tournaments.


As to whoever said that the tournament organizers in this case have the gold,
that is technically true, but not the analogy I was making in this case.  In
this case, the gold is the opportunity to play games against GM opposition.
Trust me, if the players decide they don't want to play computers at all
anymore, computers will never see the light of day again in a human tournament.


Regards,
Adrien.



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