Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:26:10 05/10/00
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On May 10, 2000 at 20:55:05, Hans Gerber wrote: >On May 10, 2000 at 18:53:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>Here is the difference. This player treated _me_ with respect. He didn't >>accuse me of cheating, in a public forum. He simply pointed out a defect in >>something I had done. I chat with GM players all the time, one in particular >>calls at least once a month, and commonly once a week when something is going >>on. They can be approached. The ones I talk with seem to be friendly, >>interested, and not combative. Kasparov was different. Yes I would love to >>talk chess with him. Or I would have prior to 1997. Not after the debacle in >>New York, however. I don't need that kind of 'friend'... > >Short answer. > >Two aspects. > >1. You must not forget that Kasparov is a genius. Are you sure to know what he >had in mind when he acted like that? Can't you imagine that he was offended when >Hsu denied the prints? First, lets get details right. (1) Kasparov accused the DB team of cheating after round 2. That is the point where he asked for output for two moves that he didn't understand. It was not _after_ getting refused that he started this line of thought.. it was _prior_ to... second, Hsu didn't deny him anything. CJ Tan made that decision as the project director at IBM. After consultation with legal and marketing types, I am sure. > Are you unaware of the possibility that K. didn't ask for >the prints because he wanted to have some advantageous insight into the thought >process of the machine but because he really was (and still is) convinced that >something was going on...? > I wouldn't pretend to know why he acted as he did. I only know that what he did was totally unpardonable. I think that by game 2, he had sensed great trouble ahead. And was already preparing an excuse, if worst case happened (which it did). >2. Don't you see that Kasparov was under extreme pressure because of his several >role conflicts during the match? Your GM's surely have a normal mood. The are >chatting with you in private. But please go with them into a TV studio ... > I've _never_ seen a GM act like Kasparov acted in NY. Never. I have seen 'em drunk. Irate. Weary. But I have never seen one act like that... > >You should try to reconsider your position in that case. If you can't, then try >to imagine that you were such a ingenious chessplayer, imagine you always were >the one ready to get close to new frontiers, perhaps you discover that you >yourself could become a rather strange fellow compared to the one you are now. >Somewhere you wrote today, it's just a game... Please don't forget that for >Kasparov. His agitation resulted out of suspicion as a sportsman. Now he still >has good arguments. You have good arguments as well. I have _been_ there... Cray Blitz was always one of the top 2-3 finishers at ACM events for many years. The last few years saw us do worse and worse as micro hardware closed the gap on speed. I never thought to accuse my opponents of cheating, even though I had smashed them 5 years in a row and now suddenly they are beating me. I just didn't even consider such a path... As far as his arguments, he has _none_. We went over the logs in public. They looked perfectly normal. We discussed the two moves in game 2 within a week or two of the event. The output that was released and published in the NY times made perfect sense in the context of a chess program. His only data was "I beat it last time, I am not playing worse. Something is wrong." And he stopped there... assuming 'something' was illicit activity by the DB team, rather than poor preparation/planning by his team. > >What would you say if Hsu suddendly came up with the news that he admitted that >something was cheated but _he_ didn't know who did it. What would you say? > >What would you say? What would you say if Kasparov suddenly confessed that he had not been playing chess for the past 20 years. That he had been in radio contact with Bobby Fischer and he relayed the moves to Kasparov? What would you say? If Hsu admitted that he cheated, that would be a surprise. I would have little choice but to admit Kasparov was right. I would bet my house that such a thing will never happen however. What about my hypothetical??? too far-fetched? No more far-fetched than yours...
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