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Subject: Re: Immortal game? Qc7?! analyse by S8 (Be7!)

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 15:57:01 11/08/04

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On November 08, 2004 at 17:43:18, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 08, 2004 at 16:25:48, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On November 08, 2004 at 12:05:19, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On November 08, 2004 at 11:31:59, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>Oh, it finds it v-e-r-y- Quickly!
>>>>
>>>>Just doesn't think too highly of it!
>>>>
>>>>Looks like your 'immortal' game, is very Mortal.
>>>>
>>>>Ed - Rebel 12
>>>>rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1N1/1b1p1P1P/2NB4/PPP3P1/R1BQK2R w KQ - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>>>
>>>>11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qc7 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Rxh7 Qb6 15.Ke2 Rd8 16.Bxg6 Kf8 17.Rh8+ Kg7
>>>>18.Rxd8 Qf2+ 19.Kxf2 Kxg6 20.Rxc8 Nxe5 21.fxe5
>>>>  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
>>>
>>>>11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qc7 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Rxh7 Qb6 15.Ke2 Rd8 16.Bxg6 Kf8 17.Rh8+ Kg7
>>>>18.Rxd8 Qf2+ 19.Kxf2 Kxg6 20.Rxc8 Nxe5 21.fxe5
>>>>  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 16/16   00:00:01  271kN
>>>>
>>>>(Yergin, MyTown 08.11.2004)
>>>
>>>It is obvious that it learned from previous abalysis.
>>>No change in the score or in the main line from depth 12 to depth 16.
>>
>>Check the TIME!
>>00.01 seconds
>
>The time is not important

Why?
>It is obvious that Shredder8 cannot get depth 16 in 1 seconds in this position
>without learning.

Learning from what?


>
>I do not have Shredder8 but here is some analysis by Shredder7.04 on A1000 and
>it does not get h5.
>
>after learning I suspect that yace can also see it very fast so it proves
>nothing
>
>Shredder8 may be able to search deeper but not that deeper.


Check the Analysis and times...

Here's 19 Ply Depth

Ed - Rebel 12

[D] rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1N1/1b1p1P1P/2NB4/PPP3P1/R1BQK2R w KQ - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:

11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  15kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  15kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  15kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  15kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  15kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  15kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 13/13   00:00:00  85kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 14/14   00:00:00  127kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 15/15   00:00:00  217kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 16/16   00:00:01  337kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Qb6 13.Nxh7 Qd4 14.Qf3 g5 15.Be3 gxf4 16.Bxd4 Bc5 17.Nxf8 Kg7
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 17/17   00:00:05  1528kN
11.h5 Nxe5 12.fxe5 dxc3 13.b3 Qc7 14.Qe2 Qb6 15.hxg6 h6
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 18/57   00:08:06  148318kN
11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Nc5 13.hxg6 Nxd3+ 14.Qxd3 Nc6 15.gxf7+ Rxf7 16.Nxf7 Qb6
17.Qxh7+ Kf8 18.Nh6 Qg1+ 19.Rxg1 Nd4 20.Qg8+ Ke7 21.Qxc8
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 19/48   00:13:16  237657kN

(Yergin, MyTown 08.11.2004)

>
>
>New game,
>rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1N1/1b1p1P1P/2NB4/PPP3P1/R1BQK2R w KQ - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Shredder 7.04:
>
>1.Qh5 gxh5 2.Nxh7
>  -+  (-9.90)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
>1.Qh5 gxh5 2.Bxh7+ Kg7
>  -+  (-10.55)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
>1.Qh5 gxh5 2.Bxh7+ Kh8
>  -+  (-10.36)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>1.0-0 dxc3
>  -+  (-5.13)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>1.0-0 dxc3
>  -+  (-4.06)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>1.0-0 dxc3
>  -+  (-4.04)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>1.Bxg6 fxg6
>  -+  (-3.68)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>1.Bxg6 fxg6 2.Nxe6 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3
>  -+  (-3.46)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.a3 dxc3 2.axb4 cxb2
>  -+  (-2.99)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.a3 Bxc3+ 2.bxc3 dxc3
>  -+  (-2.01)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.a3 Bxc3+ 2.bxc3 dxc3
>  -+  (-1.95)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.a3 Bxc3+ 2.bxc3 dxc3
>  -+  (-1.95)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>1.a3 Qa5 2.Rb1 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Qxc3+ 4.Bd2
>  -+  (-2.06)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>1.a3 Qa5 2.Rb1 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Qxc3+ 4.Bd2
>  -+  (-2.06)   Depth: 4/9   00:00:00
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 Qxa5
>  -+  (-1.98)   Depth: 5/12   00:00:00
>1.a3 Ba5 2.0-0 dxc3 3.Bb5 cxb2 4.Bxd7 bxa1Q
>  -+  (-2.23)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  22kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 Nc6
>  -+  (-2.32)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  29kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 Qb6 4.axb6
>  -+  (-2.07)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  62kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 h6 4.Nf3 Qxa5
>  -+  (-1.86)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  78kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 h6 4.Qe2 hxg5 5.hxg5
>  -+  (-2.11)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:01  147kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 h6 4.Nf3 Qb6 5.axb6
>  -+  (-2.11)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:01  201kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 h6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.0-0 Qb6+ 6.axb6
>  -+  (-1.86)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:03  341kN
>1.a3 Qa5 2.Rb1 dxc3 3.axb4 Qxb4 4.0-0 Qd4+ 5.Kh1 Nc6
>  -+  (-1.61)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:04  575kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 Nc5 4.h5 f6 5.exf6 h6 6.f7+ Kg7 7.hxg6 hxg5
>  -+  (-1.46)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:09  1263kN
>1.a3 Qa5 2.Rb1 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nc5 4.h5 h6 5.Nf3 Qxc3+ 6.Kf1 Nxd3 7.cxd3 Nc6 8.hxg6
>Kg7 9.gxf7 Qe1+ 10.Kxe1
>  µ  (-1.22)   Depth: 11/31   00:00:21  2793kN
>1.a3 Qa5 2.Rb1 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nc5 4.h5 h6 5.Nf3 Qxc3+ 6.Kf1 Nxd3 7.cxd3 Nc6 8.hxg6
>Kg7 9.gxf7 Qe1+
>  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:54  7198kN
>1.a3 Qa5 2.Rb1 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nc5 4.h5 h6 5.Nf3 Qxc3+ 6.Kf1 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 Kh7 8.Nxd4
>Qxd3+ 9.cxd3 Nc6
>  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 13/37   00:01:59  15708kN
>1.a3 Ba5 2.b4 dxc3 3.bxa5 h6 4.Nf3 h5 5.Rb1 Nc6 6.0-0 Nc5 7.Be3 Qe7 8.Rb5
>  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 14/40   00:05:02  40163kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-Aviv 09.11.2004)
>
>Uri

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