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Subject: Re: Taking a stand and a poll

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 07:47:13 07/06/01

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On July 06, 2001 at 09:08:17, James T. Walker wrote:

>It seems that some people continually come up with reasons why computers are not
>GM strength.  But if you look at the whole picture it's hard to deny.  I am
>constantly reading here that "a single game means nothing";"A tournament like in
>Argentina means nothing";"Playing a GM who is not familiar with computers means
>nothing";"Beating low rated GMs(2500) means nothing";"The GM did not play
>'anti-computer chess'" etc. etc. etc.  What do all these things put together
>mean?  Last year I think it was some Spanish IM's that allowed a computer in
>their tournament and all were embarrased.  Now it's Argentina and the same
>result.  Now a computer has to beat a 2600 GM to prove it's GM strength although
>there are many 2500 level GMs who could not do this.  Why are people constantly
>trying to put artificial requirements on computers that are not required of
>humans?  I believe one thing is already proven.  If humans play computers just
>like any other human then computers are definitely at GM strength right now.
>Also if you want to set up the computer for a fall, it can be done if you have
>enough control over the conditions.  Some people want computers to be "bullet
>proof" before they will declare computers GM level.  Just another requirement
>that humans are not subjected to.  Some point at specific computer weaknesses
>and say "see that, it can't be a GM if it does that".  Rebel took on some GMs in
>the GM Challenge and played them fairly even.  Can an IM do that?  If he can he
>will soon be a GM.  The only difference is a human has the opportunity to play
>in FIDE tournaments and qualify for the title but computers do not.  This is
>done in tournaments and not matches where one prepares specifically for the
>opponent.  So that's where I stand.  Given a fair chance for the title I believe
>there are several programs that could achieve the GM title.  Of course it's only
>my opinion and it means nothing except that I've finally taken a stand.  I've
>walked into the "Computers can be GMs" camp (if given the opportunity).
>Jim

I second all of the above, well put Jim!

Poll results so far, from my site:

Are computers GM strength ? [126 votes total]

Yes(88)         70%
No(26)          21%
Don't know(12)  10%

http://www.geocities.com/vainot/BetaChess.html

Regards
Jonas



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