Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:07:46 05/21/02
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On May 21, 2002 at 10:13:29, K. Burcham wrote: The answer is as simple as clear. They can use programs to analyze games with from other GMs and themselves. They can use it to analyze variations from their openings preparation with. But they can't learn from it. Whatever commercial propaganda says about chessproducts, they are weaker in all respects than a GM, except one: they always play a move at the same level. GM is everywhere better than a program, but doesn't have a level that is always above the constant line the program has. So a GM can't learn anything from the program, except use it to analyze with. > >not discussing opening book moves. >not discussing egtb's. >not discussing a pawn promotion. > > > >lets start out saying GM eval is 0, and program eval is 0. >lots of time left on both clocks. time is not an issue. > >the GM makes a move and plays what he sees as a safe move. >GM took three minutes to move, but he cannot see the material winning >combination for the program. >the program takes three more minutes to see material winning move. >finally program plays winning move, and GM can see combination. > >program wins. > >If GM's cannot learn strategy from programs, if GM's can only learn tactics, >then the question is: in the above described game , it would seem that most of >the time the GM cannot learn tactics either. if the combination is too deep for >the GM to see he loses material, then he cannot see this in another game. > >Just wondering how a GM can learn from home practice with programs. >it would seem that in a postion were the GM could play a losing move and he >cannot see the deep combination, but the program can, he could not have won >anyway. > >maybe some will answer that this is not possible. maybe some will say there >is no posiiton that the program can see winning material but GM cannot. > >of course i am not refering to an simple oversight by the GM. i am not refering >to a simple human blunder. i am refering to a situation that the GM says he >could not see the combination until it was played out. > >kburcham
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