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Subject: Re: List of participants for WCCC

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:01:26 05/18/04

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On May 18, 2004 at 12:32:51, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On May 18, 2004 at 11:20:46, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On May 18, 2004 at 11:14:09, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:42:41, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>
>>>>Physical is definitely better.  If it is 1 week (Sun-Sat), onsite, with
>>>>automated playing and 500$ assistance for plane tickets, then I have *zero*
>>>>problems.  Going to exotic locations is _fun_.  Right now attending would
>>>>require 8 days vacation.  Cut that to 5 and I am there.
>>>
>>>When I blow several thousands on a holiday I generally prefer to decide the
>>>destination for myself. There is nothing preventing you from doing the same,
>>>play a chess tournament on the internet and then afterwards go travel the world.
>>>
>>>I just don't see the appeal in having to travel half way around the world with a
>>>20 kg rig. Then when you arrive at this great sunny location you get to sit
>>>cooged up in a gymhall for 6 hrs a day, probably no aircondition, oh yahoo...
>>>Seriously, like I wouldn't want to spend my time on something else should I
>>>decide to visit Irael for a week or two.
>>>
>>>I guess I'm just a bit mystified by all these high-tech folks still adhering to
>>>such antiquated methods, it would be laughable if it wasn't so darn sad.
>>
>>  Actually those antiquated methods are very useful for profis, because they
>>prevent a bunch of strong amateurs from playing and doing a good job like in
>>CCT. It's commercial issue, IMO.
>
>Last year the tournament was held in Graz and I participated there (and I'm
>surely not commercial). If I 'could' then others also 'can', the question is if
>they 'want'. And by the way, this year each amateur gets $500 which is a very
>considerable sum. Last year no grant was given. I payed all my travel costs
>myself.
>

Let's not live in a vacuum.

Some history.  A couple of years ago, I made arrangements for a machine, for an
operator, for travel for him, etc.  When I contacted the ICCA they said "no,
this year we require that one of the programmers be present to operate in case
of problems, etc."  I asked _several_ times.  They said "no".

I gave up, unmade all the arrangements, and have not _seriously_ considered
attending since.  It was a lot of wasted time.  And after all was said and done,
they _still_ decided to allow _others_ to participate without an author present.

So you tell me how _I_ can plan anything?  They do have internet.  They don't.
In paris they didn't have _anything_ for example.  Thorsten used his cell phone
to get updates out from time to time.  At _his_ expense although I believe that
Steve helped him with the cost since it was posted here on CCC.  They do allow
non-author operators.  They don't.  What will it be this year?  How can I plan
with such indecisiveness?  I can't.

When we set up the last CCT, we picked a date.  I contacted AMD.  They set up a
DSL link for me to access their box.  I played.  No problems.  No expenses.  No
missed classes.  No lost vacation time.

I hope that makes it clear why _I_ have not said much about playing this year.
Who knows _what_ rule(s) the ICCA will use this time around.

"fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me."

A good proverb.

I'm not getting fooled twice.  If the ICCA will announce an event early enough,
and guarantee internet access, and guarantee that a non-author can play without
having to pay a penalty entry fee, then I'll do my best to set something up.  At
present, all they can guarantee is chaos, and plenty of it.  And rule changes.
And lack of enforcement.  Etc.

From a grading perspective, the fact that they don't yet use an automatic
interface should earn them a grade of "F".  Much less all the other nonsense I
have already mentioned above.  It is done haphazardly, if at all.  The early
WCCC and ACM events were _not_ done that way.  And they were well attended and
enjoyed.
>
>>
>>  José C.
>>
>>
>>>-S.
>>>>anthony



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