Author: Hans Gerber
Date: 13:05:45 05/10/00
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On May 10, 2000 at 09:19:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >Again, I disagree. A strong chess player can learn a _lot_ about a program >from looking at a complete log of one or two games. Particularly when that >player knew what _he_ was thinking about during the game. Now he has some >insight into how DB 'thinks'. > >I had a non-titled chess player watch the "trojan horse activity" on ICC, and >he watched me stop it completely. He wasn't much of a programmer, but could >read C reasonably well. He studied the source for crafty, looked at the range >of scores my code could produce to avoid this attack, and he worked out a very >nice plan to bust it wide open. All by studying about 20 lines of code and >thinking about what they did, and how this could be exploited. > >He was quite proud when he wrecked several crafty clones on ICC (He carefully >avoided mine so I wouldn't notice and fix it.) Later he told me what he had >done after it became obvious that someone had told me and I had fixed it. :) > >You would be surprised what good chessplayers can learn by reading the code, >looking at it play, or studying detailed output. The information content is >_not_ "close to zero" to them... Baseline? Wouldn't it be great to have Kasparov talking with you? I mean wouldn't it be better to have Kasparov in the boat of computerchess than the situation now? No matter what you think of him. Wasn't it great that he showed such interest in computerchess? Wasn't it short-sighted to have him busted in 1997? Try to find objective answers. Your report above is a beautiful example of a good research. I think the experts of computerchess should have respect for the talents of good chessplayers and vice versa. Unfortunately one can observe an unsubstantial arrogance among computerchess people when they should seek close cooperation to make necessary progress in the programming of chessic content as soon as possible. Wouldn't you agree?
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