Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:53:23 05/10/00
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On May 10, 2000 at 16:05:45, Hans Gerber wrote: >On May 10, 2000 at 09:19:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: > > >>Again, I disagree. A strong chess player can learn a _lot_ about a program >>from looking at a complete log of one or two games. Particularly when that >>player knew what _he_ was thinking about during the game. Now he has some >>insight into how DB 'thinks'. >> >>I had a non-titled chess player watch the "trojan horse activity" on ICC, and >>he watched me stop it completely. He wasn't much of a programmer, but could >>read C reasonably well. He studied the source for crafty, looked at the range >>of scores my code could produce to avoid this attack, and he worked out a very >>nice plan to bust it wide open. All by studying about 20 lines of code and >>thinking about what they did, and how this could be exploited. >> >>He was quite proud when he wrecked several crafty clones on ICC (He carefully >>avoided mine so I wouldn't notice and fix it.) Later he told me what he had >>done after it became obvious that someone had told me and I had fixed it. :) >> >>You would be surprised what good chessplayers can learn by reading the code, >>looking at it play, or studying detailed output. The information content is >>_not_ "close to zero" to them... > >Baseline? Wouldn't it be great to have Kasparov talking with you? I mean >wouldn't it be better to have Kasparov in the boat of computerchess than the >situation now? No matter what you think of him. Wasn't it great that he showed >such interest in computerchess? Wasn't it short-sighted to have him busted in >1997? Try to find objective answers. Your report above is a beautiful example of >a good research. I think the experts of computerchess should have respect for >the talents of good chessplayers and vice versa. Unfortunately one can observe >an unsubstantial arrogance among computerchess people when they should seek >close cooperation to make necessary progress in the programming of chessic >content as soon as possible. Wouldn't you agree? Here is the difference. This player treated _me_ with respect. He didn't accuse me of cheating, in a public forum. He simply pointed out a defect in something I had done. I chat with GM players all the time, one in particular calls at least once a month, and commonly once a week when something is going on. They can be approached. The ones I talk with seem to be friendly, interested, and not combative. Kasparov was different. Yes I would love to talk chess with him. Or I would have prior to 1997. Not after the debacle in New York, however. I don't need that kind of 'friend'...
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